I adored the conversation between Shiva and Slade. It highlighted their similiarities well, and showed - in stark, black and white contrast to certain members of the League, damn you, Meltzer - the code of honor that both live.
Isn't Filly amazing? She did such a kickass job with them both...
Also? The image of Lian trained by Slade, Shiva, and Serum!Dick makes my brain melt. A lot.
You're not the only one.
Also? I don't know which one of you wrote Shiva - but I enjoyed this rendering very much. Lines like 'She inclined her head briefly, considering. "So she is worth a small portion of my honor at this point."' felt very true to me - and made me want to see more of this Shiva, for she rocks.
That's all Filly, as I said, who did a splendiferous job.
Also? The tiny detail about the collar and Roy/Dick was fabulous, as was the almost casual way Dick/Roy discussed the flaws in Rose's form.
Dick's not above blatant emotional manipulation, and well, Roy can use the security at this point. And yeah. Well, they both agreed to teach her, so discussing problems with her is a natural.
Dinah's breakdown was painful to watch, and reaffirmed the utter hate I have for Identity Crisis. Considering that Meltzer gave her bare minimum dialogue in that story, it was very easy to imagine that events had unfolded in the manner that she described to Roy- that she had been so very against it, but had been too overwhelmed/caught up in the moment to stop it.
That's what we thought, yes. Glad it rings true *hates on he-who-wrote-that-garbage*
Yeah, Dinah, flinch. Flinch because that's what I do anytime I read the panels involved. Flinch because in that moment in time, the ghost of Uncle Ben needed to find a way to cross dimensions, become corporeal and beat all of seven of you until you apologized for raping not only Dr. Light and Batman, but every one of the childhoods that had ever loved the Justice League or any of the members involved.
Tell me about it, pervy. Though, really, let's hate on the man actually responsible, hmm? (doesn't, actually, mean Carter, though Dinah might) Uncle Ben's ghost has a lot of people he needs to beat, yes.
*hates Meltzer and the Justice League, all over again and mutters about great power and responsibility.*
*grumbles Right along with you* Yeah. You said it.
*chuckle.* I'm really not supposed to laugh at that, am I? And, oh, Dick, honey, I love your Evil! self, and you're completely right about what they've done - but what you're doing? With Slade? And what you're going to do, in the future? And what you've done? Is going to hurt Bruce far, far more than what the League did.
Oh, sure you are, I did, the minute I wrote it. It was kind of nice, but heartbreaking, to see Bruce's boy alive again for just a moment. And yeah, it is... and he kind-of knows it.
Also? The way that Dick justified and separated *his* rape (because let's call a spade a spade) from what Light did was interesting. They were, of course, different events and Light was far more brutal, but the minute Dick started to get self righteous, the event hung out in my head. . .and I'm glad it's in the back of his.
What Roy tells himself to get through the day, and what Dick is so desperate to believe, do not, necessarily have anything to do with objective reality--or with my personal beliefs, as far as that goes. Neither one of them is willing in any way, shape, or form to call that rape, and I suppose that's their perogative--but yes, let us call a spade a spade, and shake our heads in frustration at Dick's capacity for self-delusion.
There was no doubt in his mind that what had been done had led to the evolution of the son of a bitch he had stolen Dick away from. . . No matter what the League had done, he shouldn't have... That shouldn't have been enough to sever the bond between Batman and Robin.
pt 1
*purrs for joy*
I adored the conversation between Shiva and Slade. It highlighted their similiarities well, and showed - in stark, black and white contrast to certain members of the League, damn you, Meltzer - the code of honor that both live.
Isn't Filly amazing? She did such a kickass job with them both...
Also? The image of Lian trained by Slade, Shiva, and Serum!Dick makes my brain melt. A lot.
You're not the only one.
Also? I don't know which one of you wrote Shiva - but I enjoyed this rendering very much. Lines like 'She inclined her head briefly, considering. "So she is worth a small portion of my honor at this point."' felt very true to me - and made me want to see more of this Shiva, for she rocks.
That's all Filly, as I said, who did a splendiferous job.
Also? The tiny detail about the collar and Roy/Dick was fabulous, as was the almost casual way Dick/Roy discussed the flaws in Rose's form.
Dick's not above blatant emotional manipulation, and well, Roy can use the security at this point. And yeah. Well, they both agreed to teach her, so discussing problems with her is a natural.
Dinah's breakdown was painful to watch, and reaffirmed the utter hate I have for Identity Crisis. Considering that Meltzer gave her bare minimum dialogue in that story, it was very easy to imagine that events had unfolded in the manner that she described to Roy- that she had been so very against it, but had been too overwhelmed/caught up in the moment to stop it.
That's what we thought, yes. Glad it rings true
*hates on he-who-wrote-that-garbage*Yeah, Dinah, flinch. Flinch because that's what I do anytime I read the panels involved. Flinch because in that moment in time, the ghost of Uncle Ben needed to find a way to cross dimensions, become corporeal and beat all of seven of you until you apologized for raping not only Dr. Light and Batman, but every one of the childhoods that had ever loved the Justice League or any of the members involved.
Tell me about it, pervy. Though, really, let's hate on the man actually responsible, hmm? (doesn't, actually, mean Carter, though Dinah might) Uncle Ben's ghost has a lot of people he needs to beat, yes.
*hates Meltzer and the Justice League, all over again and mutters about great power and responsibility.*
*grumbles Right along with you* Yeah. You said it.
*chuckle.* I'm really not supposed to laugh at that, am I? And, oh, Dick, honey, I love your Evil! self, and you're completely right about what they've done - but what you're doing? With Slade? And what you're going to do, in the future? And what you've done? Is going to hurt Bruce far, far more than what the League did.
Oh, sure you are, I did, the minute I wrote it. It was kind of nice, but heartbreaking, to see Bruce's boy alive again for just a moment. And yeah, it is... and he kind-of knows it.
Also? The way that Dick justified and separated *his* rape (because let's call a spade a spade) from what Light did was interesting. They were, of course, different events and Light was far more brutal, but the minute Dick started to get self righteous, the event hung out in my head. . .and I'm glad it's in the back of his.
What Roy tells himself to get through the day, and what Dick is so desperate to believe, do not, necessarily have anything to do with objective reality--or with my personal beliefs, as far as that goes. Neither one of them is willing in any way, shape, or form to call that rape, and I suppose that's their perogative--but yes, let us call a spade a spade, and shake our heads in frustration at Dick's capacity for self-delusion.
There was no doubt in his mind that what had been done had led to the evolution of the son of a bitch he had stolen Dick away from. . . No matter what the League had done, he shouldn't have... That shouldn't have been enough to sever the bond between Batman and Robin.