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The main characters protested that the heroes have been getting too much screen-time lately, and this one falls next in the timeline anyway.

Title: Nightmares and Pancakes
Characters: Dick, Rose
Rating: G
Summary: "What does it make me, Rose, that'd I'd do it again?"
Notes: Rose is all [livejournal.com profile] merfilly, but Dick's all my work.


Dick sat bolt upright, panting, shaking, rubbing at his eyes, feeling his pulse hammering against his ribs, fighting the urge to scream--thankful for the years of training that had kept him silent in his sleep. He'd always been plagued by nightmares... nightmares of his parents deaths, of his failures, of Bruce's anger and disappointment--and now, they had a new Star. Starfire. Memories of her haunted his nights, now, flying with her, laughing with her, the playful reckless grace she'd always had all ran together into the memory of Slade's walk towards her unconscious body as he ordered him out of the room with Roy. Her voice echoed in his head now, asking him how he could do this to her...

Five nights of her voice and her eyes and all of his memories of her had run his resources low, making him snappish and uneasy--he'd taken some of that out on Dinah, he knew. It was worst when he spent the night curled against Roy's body--the redhead slept deeply when he knew he was safe, and rarely woke when he started to dream, though he was moving uneasily now, rolling onto his back to look at him. Slade slept like a cat, and when he spent the night beside the older man, Slade would pull him out of the nightmares before they could fully start and stay with him in easy silence until he stopped shaking and could sleep again.

"Dick?" low, sleepy voice, and he just stroked a hand down Roy's arm, not trusting his voice for long moments.

"Go back to sleep, my own. I'm all right."

"Nightmare?"

//You know me too well.// "Yeah. The usual... I'm gonna hit the gym, go back to sleep..." he twisted to lean down and kiss him gently. He couldn't talk to Roy about this one--Roy was still enraged with him over the Outsiders, and he couldn't blame him. With Slade gone on something--and damn it, the man was going to tell him what the hell he was planning, he couldn't help if he didn't know the score!--there was no-one he could go to... so he'd work the memories out of his mind. He'd probably wind up passing out on the mats, but that was okay.

"Y'sure, flyboy?"

"Yeah... just sleep, my own, everything's fine."

"'kay." God, what the sound of Roy's voice like that did to him, low and sweet and sleep-rough and still trusting him... It was almost enough... but he still remembered her voice like that, too. He slipped out of the bed, smiling as Roy settled into his spot like a cat, and pulled on shorts and a T-shirt to head downstairs. //God, only midnight...//

*~*~*~

Several hours later, a restless young woman slipped out of her bed and went to wander the house, trying to quiet her thoughts. Noise in the training room caught her attention, and she went to see what was going on. She pushed the door open noiselessly, and stilled in it.

It was impossible how to tell how long he'd been at this, but the man on the mats in the middle of a tumbling routine--every motion of which screamed pain and sorrow and rage--was absolutely soaked with sweat, shirt thrown over a weight bench, shorts sticking to his legs, hair dripping with it... It had obviously been quite a while, and he didn't look as though he was anywhere near stopping, even though his muscles shook as he landed a flip and took off into another pass.

The person in the doorway watched, a single eye interested in what drove such frenzy, but also wrapped up in just reading every motion, every nuance of the muscles carrying him through the routine.

The pain and the exhaustion eventually took their toll and he missed a landing, ankle twisting, harsh oath ripped from his lungs as he fell and wrapped a hand hard around it, not even noticing the observer, lost in the demons tormenting him.

"You should ice that," came the soft, logical words from his observer. Rose stepped fully into the room, wearing a short kimono style robe that barely came to mid thigh, her hair hanging free and partially hiding the patch she wore.

"Go away, Rose," low growl that sounded very much like her father, not looking up.

"No." Her simple refusal lsoated over his ears, just before she came to look at the ankle, kneeling in front of him. "I want to help you."

"It's just an ankle. The serum... will fix it before morning," words said around harsh, quick breaths.

She reached out, touching his hand lightly. "Not about that." It was rare to see her solemn, more rare for her to touch him and not look for it to lead to an innuendo.

His head snapped around to look at her, blue eyes dark with more than physical pain, and he shook his head. "You can't, Rose."

She cocked her head to one side, frowning. "Because you won't let me? Or because I can't possibly understand?" She drew her hand back. "I'm not heartless, you know. I see you're hurting."

"Both... and you're my student. That's not how this works." Then he caught her hand. "I... know you're not, Rose. That's not it."

She folded her smaller hand around his. "I just want you okay, Dick... you're family now."

He shuddered, hearing another woman say that, the accented voice in his memories so warm and sweet--he shoved his free hand against his eyes, a noise in his throat that he refused to admit was a sob, breathing gone absolutely erratic in defiance of every bit of training he'd ever had.

The girl, whose life had been shattered too many times in recent years, flowed into his space, kneeling up so that she was the right level for his head. Her arms were deceptively strong as she tried to pull him close, offering solace, a point to cling to in the wake of his demons.

He struggled against her for a minute, pride and boundaries warring against everything inside him--and then the strength of her grip and the way she held him snapped something deep in him and he fell against her, silent, racking gasps for air passing for sobs as hot tears soaked the silk, collapsed against her chest.

She kept one arm low around his shoulders, then used her free hand to stroke his hair, leaning her face into his hair and closing her eye. "I've got you, Dick." She kept her voice low and soft. "Just hold on to me."

At the way her voice blended with the one in his head that he would never, ever hear again, he started to hyperventilate, and just clung to her as his lungs worked too-hard too-fast and his hands locked around her arms hard, probably leaving bruises in their wake as he lost control again.

"Dick, shh," Rose urged, swaying a bit. "You're safe here. We're going to take care of you," she promised. "Just hold on, and it will be alright." She was very worried, half hoping Daddy was home and watching, in case she needed help with Dick.

He shook his head against her shoulder, breathing ramping up another notch into the double-time pants of a trauma victim, the enhanced strength and her gentleness blending so utterly with the memories that tortured him that it took everything he had not to scream.

Daddy was watching, hands fisted hard against his thighs, knowing he could not go to his boy, not this time. Not for this.

Rose laced her fingers into Dick's hair, pulling his head back from her shoulder. Regret chased through her eye a moment before her other hand slapped across his cheek, in hopes of breaking the pattern, of bringing him back. "Dick, please, calm down!" She did not have the command voice, but there was a deep urgency, a need to reach him on a deeper level, to pull him out of it.

The shock of that bruising slap stopped the breath in his lungs, not even reacting to the hand fisted in his hair, staring at (through) her, tears still pouring down his cheeks, smeared across his face, but the urgency pulled him together enough to gasp, "S-sorry, Rose. I--I'm sorry..."

"No, Dick...I understand." Her hand relaxed in his hair to stroke it gently. "Do you want to talk? I can listen pretty good sometimes."

"I... No. Yes..." he looked away from the compassion in her eyes and said, so, so faintly, "I killed her." Arms and spine and shoulders shuddered as he said it aloud. None of the defiant pride that claimed his kill of Blockbuster in that lost, aching voice.

The teen slipped around him, kneeling behind the stressed man to drape her arms around him, pressed close for comfort, but where he did not have to 'see' her. She suspected it would help him keep talking about so sensitive a subject. "Tell me, Dick. Let me share it the burden with you. I know you...loved her."

"I'd have married her, once... She was... god, she was fire, and passion, and so amazing... and I gave her vulnerabilities over to your father so he could execute her." The sheer amount of blazing self-hate in his voice was astounding. "I killed her as surely as if I'd pulled the trigger myself. Without what I gave him, Star would have made it a FIGHT. She might've bought them enough time..."

"Enough time for Daddy to have done it himself?" she asked softly. "Your Roy would be dead. You, he would have killed for mercy, I think." Her voice was gentle, but the logic of her words was inescapable. "Because the contract had to be fulfilled, and a messy fight would have broken your spirit. This was clean."

He shook in her arms. "I know. God, I know. I know there was no way I could save her, not with that contract, not when he finally had a reason to take her down... and I could save Roy--Slade likes him, after all--so I did, I gave her up... God, Rose, what am I that I know I'd do it again?"

"Human." He felt her arms tighten around him, holding him tighter. "Humane." She sighed softly past his ear. "Dick, it's going to be...okay. It hurts like hell, always will, to be honest. But you have to look at what the choice was. Lose all, including your life, or keep one, and possibly matter more than you ever have in the past." She pressed her cheek to the side of his head. "I'll always be here for you, when the pain gets so bad."

He bit at his lips, first reaction held behind his teeth, and slowly nodded. "It was already too late for me to go back," he told himself again, pressed back against her body, tipping his head away to turn and look at her, demons still in his eyes. "I... don't know why you think I'll matter more now than I did as the Titans leader, as the hero I used to be... but you're right about one thing--at least I've still got him, and I'm alive... better than the alternative.

Rose smiled slowly at him. "Dick, with Daddy, you can do so much you never were allowed before! When someone needs to go down, you get to make sure they stay down."

He tilted his head thoughtfully, reaching up to wipe away the tears, turning that phrasing over in his mind. "You know, Rose... you're right. I do... and wishes are for fools and children. I'm neither. ...Thank you." The self-loathing and pain were slowly receding from his eyes, replaced with the kind of resolve she would normally see on Renegade's cold features. "The lesser of two evils may still be evil.. but at least I get to live with this one."

"Oh, I'm usually right. You macho types just forget to listen to me," she said, using her lightest voice before giggling softly at him. She hoped it would help him break his mood fully, not wanting him to encounter Daddy in the depressive state he had been.

He shook his head, managing to smile at her--just a little. "That's what you think, at least."

The impulsive girl moved around once more, throwing her arms fully around his neck as she pressed into a hug against him. "I'm glad you picked us," she said with quiet, desperate urgency.

He wrapped his arms around her instinctively, despite being startled, and laughed--bitter laughter, but honest. "I... didn't like the other choices. I don't like the other choices... and... I am, too. I... like being here." By this point, he was smiling more broadly, nodding once. He truly did. Rose was whip-smart and a delight to teach, Slade was--he fought off the blush--and with Roy and Lian safely beside him, he had everything he could possibly expect anymore.

Rose managed to slip down to be more sheltered in his arms, pressing her ear to his chest. "Family," she whispered, not quite in a normal voice. "Family beats all, hold the family tight."

He held her tight, letting her have the shelter she seemed to need, and stroked a hand down her pale, pale hair. "You're right, Rose--and you and Slade and Roy--and Lian--are my family now."

She shivered, the hair rising on her arms. "Yeah, Dick. I know." She shook her head, coming away from whatever it was she had seen.

"Rose... what did you see?" The realization hit him suddenly, what that change in her voice had to mean, and it was pure and utter stupidity to ignore a vision, rather or not she wanted to talk about it.

Rose smiled sweetly at him. "Nothing, Dick...nothing important."

"Rose..."

She leaned up to kiss him, moving from concerned friend to flirty ingénue with ease.

He leaned backwards with all of the serum's speed, seeing the move in the change of her shoulders, and shook his head at her, hand coming up to block her, shaking his head at her once he had her stopped, hand resting over her heart. "No. Good reaction, great way of distracting someone--god knows I've used it--but no, and you know precisely why. What did you see?" In an odd way, he was proud of her attempt at distraction.

She pouted, making it as seductive as she thought he'd let her get away with. "Us... five in Daddy's colors...battlefield." She slipped back toward the vision, as the details floated in the back of her mind.

Dick's eyes went wide at that. "Five of us... Canary? Actively with us?" he shook his head. "I can't believe that one. Talk about a stretch... can you get anything else? Maybe who it is?"

She closed her eye, then shook her head. "No. Just a sense there are five of us, that something happens, and we are at the key move of the battle."

He flashed a smile at her, "Well, where else would we be?" All arrogant confidence and strength in his eyes.

She cocked her head to one side, then nodded. "So, it's the middle of the night; I think you owe me... pancakes."

"...pancakes?" He chuckled softly. "Sure, Rose. Come on, I'll try not to burn the house down. Dinah's not the only one that can cook."

She rose gracefully, spinning around one full time for him, then sashayed toward the door before peeking over her shoulder. "Come on!"

He followed her, stopping long enough to pick his shirt up... and drop it again. "I'm going to go get a shirt, I'll meet you in the kitchen."

"Believe me, the shirt would be wasted," she flirted, eyeing him again.

Dick just smiled at her, shaking his head in amusement. He was going to regret sheltering Roy by making that offer, he just knew it. "While that's nice to know, I don't care to get hit by several-hundred degree grease, thanks."

"Hmm, I'd kiss it and make it all better," she offered, that single eye dancing.

"..You're something else, Rose," he said with a shake of his head, smiling at her as he forced himself not to limp on the still-healing ankle.

"Yeah, but what?" From her tone, it was not completely clear she was joking.

"You're asking a guy? Like I understand any woman?" He, on the other hand, was very definitely teasing.

"This is very true." She waggled her eyebrows at him as she paused to look back at him again. "I think you've shown where your real inclinations lay."

"I'd think you'd have noticed that by now, yes," Dick agreed willingly, waiting for her to get out of the doorway.

"Too bad for me," she said, 'straightening' her short robe.

"You're going to be very, very dangerous to some poor boy's sanity one of these days," he said instead of replying to that comment.

"No, that would be Daddy's job," she added, walking toward the kitchen.

"...yeah, true.." He laughed and went to get a shirt, nightmares and memories under control again, forced away by the open love of his student/sister.

While Dick was on the other end of the house, Slade found his daughter, intercepting her on the way to the kitchen. "Kitten," his voice soft as he walked up behind her.

"Daddy!" she squealed, always happy to see him. She turned and smiled fully for him, his perfect blend of malice, skill, and innocence.

He smiled back at her. "Well done, Kitten. very well done."

She tipped her head to him, cheeks flushing at his praise. "How could I do less, Daddy, for him? For you?"

He reached out to pull her close. "True. Good girl. ...enjoying teasing my boy, kitten?" He was entirely amused by the byplay between them. It was an excellent way for his daughter to stretch her wings.

"Hmm, keeps him on his toes," she evaded coyly.

"True, it does... and amuses you, which is also valuable. Go on. I'll tell Ms. Lance to let you sleep this morning."

She nodded, continuing on her way to the kitchen. She considered the night well spent, if it meant Dick was on a more even keel and her Daddy was pleased with her.

Pancakes at three am were a fairly familiar thing for Dick, though sharing them with Rose was definitely new--and fun, he had to admit as she leaned against the counter talking to him as he cooked.

Date: 2006-09-17 11:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greeneyelove.livejournal.com
I know, considering all he has done, that I should NOT feel sorry for Dick, but the fact is, I do. He's so heartbreaking. It's good to know he at least feels guilt. Great work showing that. And Rose is a doll. :-)

Date: 2006-09-17 11:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ilyena_sylph
*grins at you, amused* If you could read this, read all of that heartbreaking love and grief, and not feel sorry for this Dick Grayson... I would just have to wonder about your sanity.

He really is utterly heartbreaking, and it's all Devin Grayson's fault. She broke him, after all. Slade's just knitting him back together.

*nods* The guilt is, actually, only about her. He doesn't give a damn about anyone else he helped kill, but that Slade allowed him no possible way to save the woman he loved for years rips at him. He knows perfectly well why, but... *points up* Thank you!

Rose is a doll because Filly is freaking amazing. I adore her Rose so utterly much.

Date: 2006-09-18 12:04 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] senmut
I love Rose, in case you could not tell. Her ability to switch moods, and sanity, is very heartwarming to me for personal reasons.

And this Dick...gods, I wanted to snuggle him close, keep him safe.

Date: 2006-09-18 12:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gottaluvit123.livejournal.com
Aaargh..you keep making me like the bad guys in this fic! No Fair!

Date: 2006-09-18 12:44 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ilyena_sylph
*grins at you happily, pleased with self*

I love them, why shouldn't you? Thank you!

Date: 2006-09-18 02:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fatherartist.livejournal.com
Very Nice I actually almost feel sorry for the Sick bastard um.. poor guy. Dick's kind of a monster in a tortured soul kind of way. Exquisite Imagery, as an illustrator that's th highest compliment I have.

Date: 2006-09-18 05:54 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ilyena_sylph
*chuckle* Dick's not sick, and his parents were married, and... yeah. Poor guy.

"kind of a monster"... mm. Only if you buy that Slade's a monster, too.

That is one hell of a compliment, I just wish I could get the way that I see them onto paper.

Date: 2006-09-19 02:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fatherartist.livejournal.com
I know I'm gonna get rapped in the mouth for this but Slade IS a Monster. An Awesome, Ass-Kicking, Bad to the Bone, Homicidal, Sociopathic, Dripping with Sexual Attraction, Code following, Loving Father figure, Murderous Monster. But Justifably So. heh heh

Date: 2006-09-18 03:06 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] pervyficgirl.livejournal.com
Memories of her haunted his nights, now, flying with her, laughing with her, the playful reckless grace she'd always had all ran together into the memory of Slade's walk towards her unconscious body as he ordered him out of the room with Roy. Her voice echoed in his head now, asking him how he could do this to her...

*whimpers.* You know what sucks the most, EVIL!Dick? Despite Kory's admittedly strong temper, she's one of the ones that would have understood. Oh, sure, she'd be furious at you for turning your back on everything that used to matter to you. But, dammit, she would have understood Blockbuster/Renegade/NeedingSlade.

But, then, if Evil!Dick had thought that anyone was capable of understanding him besides Slade, he wouldn't have landed here, would he?*hugs him, and hurts for him, despite his pain being very much his own fault.*

"Go back to sleep, my own. I'm all right."

*g* See? It's things like this that make me love EVIL!Dick, despite how much he rips out the heart of everyone else I love.

//You know me too well.//
Well, of course he does. He's Roy.

"'kay." God, what the sound of Roy's voice like that did to him, low and sweet and sleep-rough and still trusting him... It was almost enough... but he still remembered her voice like that, too. As well he should. *kicks EVIL!Dick.*

Despite this - I can really and truly feel his pain, as equally strong as I did the Titans' pain in Shared Grief. And knowing that it's DICK GRAYSON, whom I love, does truly hurt, in all the best ways.

As always, I'm in complete adoration of Rose - I would have known she was Merfilly's, because she has that vulnerability/strongness combination that Filly does so well. Also, because she's fun and I like her, and Filly's Rose was the first Rose I could ever say that about.

"It was already too late for me to go back," he told himself again, pressed back against her body,

Oh, honey, whatever helps you sleep. OH - it's not, really, is it? But keep telling yourself that anyway.

Depsite my snarky bitchery - I want it to be perfectly clear how wonderous this peek into exactly what's going through Dick's head is.

Also? The self-loathing and pain were slowly receding from his eyes, replaced with the kind of resolve she would normally see on Renegade's cold features.

I really enjoy the way, in this series - you keep splitting Dick in two - showing that Renegade and Dick aren't one and the same. *nods* It has to be that way.

Also? The logic/reasoning that Rose used to bring Dick out of that depressive state was just spot on perfect - and she is the only one that could. Also, their flirtyness/sibling relationship was adorable.

I also rather adored Rose's flash into the future. Ah, lovely hints of what's to come.


He flashed a smile at her, "Well, where else would we be?" All arrogant confidence and strength in his eyes.


Ah - confident/strong EVIL!Dick. It's the one I lust for. *pets him.* Welcome back, dear.

Also? On the shallow end of the pool? The image of a sweaty, shirtless Dick over-exerting himself in the gym was yummy - despite his agony.

Also? So was the image of him making pancakes at 3 a.m. for his little brother sister.

Also? Slade watching the whole thing, knowing he wasn't the one that could help almost made me feel sorry for Slade. UM, WTF?

Loved, muchly.

Date: 2006-09-18 04:16 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ilyena_sylph
*whimpers.* You know what sucks the most, EVIL!Dick? Despite Kory's admittedly strong temper, she's one of the ones that would have understood.

Yeah. She would have. And yes. That is one of the things that Absolutely sucks The. Very. Most.

But, then, if Evil!Dick had thought that anyone was capable of understanding him besides Slade, he wouldn't have landed here, would he?*hugs him, and hurts for him, despite his pain being very much his own fault.*

Pretty much no, and also, exactly.

*g* See? It's things like this that make me love EVIL!Dick, despite how much he rips out the heart of everyone else I love.

Roy's his to be protected, and not troubled with things that divide his loyalties.

Well, of course he does. He's Roy.

Yup. Absolutely. Roy knows him inside-out.

'"'kay." God, what the sound of Roy's voice like that did to him, low and sweet and sleep-rough and still trusting him... It was almost enough... but he still remembered her voice like that, too.' As well he should. *kicks EVIL!Dick.*

Trust me. He'll never forget.

Despite this - I can really and truly feel his pain, as equally strong as I did the Titans' pain in Shared Grief. And knowing that it's DICK GRAYSON, whom I love, does truly hurt, in all the best ways.

*is just too damned pleased by this* All of the hell I went through trying to write him in this is absolutely worth it, if I could make you feel that.

As always, I'm in complete adoration of Rose - and Filly's Rose was the first Rose I could ever say that about.

*G* Yeah. Filly's Rose is an awesome, awesome Rose.

Oh, honey, whatever helps you sleep. OH - it's not, really, is it? But keep telling yourself that anyway.

It's not helping him sleep... but it's keeping him as sane as he could hope for.

Despite my snarky bitchery - I want it to be perfectly clear how wonderous this peek into exactly what's going through Dick's head is.

Hey. Dick deserves some snark here, but I'm glad you think this is "wonderous".

Also? ... I really enjoy the way, in this series - you keep splitting Dick in two - showing that Renegade and Dick aren't one and the same. *nods* It has to be that way.

Yes. It really does. The division in his identity between himself and his Persona has never, ever been so huge.

Also? The logic/reasoning that Rose used to bring Dick out of that depressive state was just spot on perfect - and she is the only one that could. Also, their flirtyness/sibling relationship was adorable.

*nodnod* I love Filly's Rose, for making so much sense. She was just perfect--yeah, she really was. Dinah would have just hit him harder, but she's still being locked in her room at night. That flirty/sibling relationship is entirely too much fun to play with, yes.

I also rather adored Rose's flash into the future. Ah, lovely hints of what's to come.

Hey, when DC hands you a precog, you'd better use her gifts.

"He flashed a smile at her, "Well, where else would we be?" All arrogant confidence and strength in his eyes."
Ah - confident/strong EVIL!Dick. It's the one I lust for. *pets him.* Welcome back, dear.


He's so completely and utterly lust-worthy, yes. And oh, yes, he's back, now. Rose did it. He's focused, again.

Also? On the shallow end of the pool? The image of a sweaty, shirtless Dick over-exerting himself in the gym was yummy - despite his agony.

He is utterly yummy, and I spent a lot of this fic wanting to be there to distract him.

Also? So was the image of him making pancakes at 3 a.m. for his little brother sister.

Oh, you got that too, huh? *G* Yes. *laugh* Though, I tend to say to filly a LOT in IM "would Rose please stop flirting with her stepfather?" ...this generally leads to lots of hysterical laughter.

Also? Slade watching the whole thing, knowing he wasn't the one that could help almost made me feel sorry for Slade. UM, WTF?

*SMIRK* Gotcha, gotcha!

Loved, muchly.

That makes me utterly joyous.

Date: 2006-09-18 07:54 pm (UTC)
senmut: modern style black canary on right in front of modern style deathstroke (Default)
From: [personal profile] senmut
*bows*

Thank you, for your comments toward Rose.

Date: 2006-09-18 05:44 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] elfcat255.livejournal.com
gah..you're making me feel sorry for Dick..grrr...heh..good job!...if you can make me like a character I normally loathe it's great writing!...(and have I mentioned you and filly make a great team?..hehe)

Date: 2006-09-18 05:52 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ilyena_sylph
*grins happily* That kind of was the idea... Thanks!

Well, that and getting him back on his feet again.

"..like a character I normally loathe"--why do you hate my boy? *frowns* But thanks! *cuddles her boy*

(um, maybe once or twice :) hehehe indeed)

Also, your icon frightens me.

Date: 2006-09-18 05:57 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] elfcat255.livejournal.com
I think it has something to do with Babs..lol...but then I've never been a big Robin fan(and I know he's not Robin anymore..blah blah blah)...eh..don't know why really....sorry da dragon scares you..is this better?...lol

Date: 2006-09-18 06:09 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ilyena_sylph
*hiss, spit at Miss Bitch (can't stand Babs, most of the time. Although, when she's with Dinah she's pretty cool. Still such a plot-device, though.)*

oh good, you know, I don't have to go on about it.

da dragon was awesome, though frightening, and FRAGGLE!!!! Fragglesrule! *glee*

Date: 2006-09-18 07:56 pm (UTC)
senmut: modern style black canary on right in front of modern style deathstroke (Default)
From: [personal profile] senmut
That's it. You and Pervy are going to make me write a Babs-centric fic...I'm going to show you what Dixon knew...she's a phenom character when written correctly.

And Dinah needs some Babs-cuddle time, after all we've done to her here.

Date: 2006-09-18 10:07 pm (UTC)
ext_11763: kate snark (fifteen)
From: [identity profile] pervyficgirl.livejournal.com
That's it. You and Pervy are going to make me write a Babs-centric fic.

Hey, what did *I* do? I am completely innocent this time.

she's a phenom character when written correctly.

Which is why, of course, I adore your Babs. *g* That, and she has the good taste to be in love with Dinah.

Date: 2006-09-18 10:17 pm (UTC)
senmut: modern style black canary on right in front of modern style deathstroke (BC/O: Caring)
From: [personal profile] senmut
Had to throw you in on that one too, as you give me delightful reason to write Babs, by encouraging the Birds' Love.

Well, she's coming up soon in the monsterfic...

Date: 2006-09-19 09:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nightwing-subs.livejournal.com
Alleluia!

Finally, someone to redeem my fave girl character, Barbara Gordon. She's been portrayed as a witch, a cold machine, a heartless Bat-lite pawn...but she is a hero. Dixon did see something and there is a lot of potential in Babs that hasn't been mined yet. She is a formidable character in her own right, and there was a good reason why there was a year when Wizard fans voted her the #1 superheroine.

Hmmm...if I were to choose a hetero relationship for Babs, it would be Dick, of course.

But it seems like you've slashed Babs and Dinah. Is this one source of the tension that coils around Dinah and Dick in your staggering Darker Path series?

Bravo! It adds more dimension to the drama.

Date: 2006-09-19 02:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] senmut
I do slash them. But had not opted to do so in Darker Path, though I am keeping to the very tight relationship Dixon groomed.

I've been swayed away from Dick/Babs, fervently, by my flist. I can still write it, but if I were to write her hetero...well, I would have needed to intervene in Path's continuity quite a bit sooner to save poor Ted...

Date: 2006-09-18 09:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nightwing-subs.livejournal.com
Heart-breaking.

Yet at the same time ominous in the way that Dick, Slade, Rose, Lian, and Roy are forming into a family. Would give Bats and his own one formidable fighting enemy clan.

Slade vs. Bruce
Dick vs. Tim (no contest)
Rose vs. Cassie (close match)
Roy vs. Jason Todd (?)

What really impresses me is how you hit the characters dead on. Dick torturing himself over Kory but still caught in the web of darkness he's willingly walked into, the logic of his resolve threatening to kill whatever decency left he has inside of him. Slade, masterful, doing what it will take to comfort his boy and make him his. Rose, equally manipulative, totally comfortable in the world of murder and death that his father had raised her in.

And for all this....I still want some payback, damnit!!!



Let this family reel from the punches of a family gone vindictive: the family of heroes. Wipe the smugness from their mouths.



Ok, I stand by my word that I will have faith in your love for the DC Universe. Should get me through to the dark end.

However it may resolve, this is going to be one unforgettable epic.

Last question, though: does your dislike of Babs mean that you'll have her easily executed?

Date: 2006-09-18 07:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] senmut
I'll answer that last: Look to my next solo piece of this for hints of Babs' future. She's my pretty to play with, and I have plans.

Date: 2006-09-18 11:24 pm (UTC)
ilyena_sylph: picture of Labyrinth!faerie with 'careful, i bite' as text (audrey too)
From: [personal profile] ilyena_sylph
Heart-breaking.

I know.

Yet at the same time ominous in the way that Dick, Slade, Rose, Lian, and Roy are forming into a family. Would give Bats and his own one formidable fighting enemy clan.

Isn't it ominous, though?

Slade vs. Bruce
Dick vs. Tim (no contest)
Rose vs. Cassie (close match)
Roy vs. Jason Todd (?)


You have a delightful brain.

What really impresses me is how you hit the characters dead on. Dick torturing himself over Kory but still caught in the web of darkness he's willingly walked into, the logic of his resolve threatening to kill whatever decency left he has inside of him. Slade, masterful, doing what it will take to comfort his boy and make him his. Rose, equally manipulative, totally comfortable in the world of murder and death that his father had raised her in.

*flushes* I'm delighted that you think I'm getting the characters well.

And for all this....I still want some payback, damnit!!!

I'm sure getting that impression, yeah.

Let this family reel from the punches of a family gone vindictive: the family of heroes. Wipe the smugness from their mouths.

Have you taken greek oratory? Because damn, that was some impressive delivery. *applauds, and nods*

Ok, I stand by my word that I will have faith in your love for the DC Universe. Should get me through to the dark end.

Oh, good. *hugs*

However it may resolve, this is going to be one unforgettable epic.

Thank you very much, for the faith.

Last question, though: does your dislike of Babs mean that you'll have her easily executed?

*snort* Please. I leave the murder of characters I don't like to DC. *weeps for the League teamss that have died as a result of Infinite Stupidity etc* If I could find a highly logical, plot-centered gripping reason for Babs to die, and how in hell anyone would find her to kill her, I might ask Filly if we could... but, no. Nobody (barring, possibly, a few villains) is going to die in this for no better reason than my personal dislike.

Date: 2006-09-19 06:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nightwing-subs.livejournal.com
Ominous...

The thought of the Wilson family facing the full force of the JLA and the Titans and kicking them like a dog who runs with the tail on its hinds will be heart-breaking.

It's not impossible. Slade has taken down the JLA alone. The Titans has never bested him. Now put a Dick-with-serum beside him, backed up by a precog, a master of weaponry, and a martial artist with a sonic cry...

I'm not sure if I can recover if the Wilson family wins at that last stand.

I keep reading Shared Grief and the other fics showing the heroes, especially GA, coping with the deaths of their friends...

and I find myself saying, Damn! These heroes deserve better.

Maybe that's why I've taken to Greek oratory <a wry smile at the undeserved complement). But rest assured, I will follow you down this road and wherever it may lead, regardless of how the characters turn out, I will be applauding your pen and your heart for the journey you will have taken us.

Donna

Date: 2006-09-18 12:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nightwing-subs.livejournal.com
Will you resurrect Donna Troy in this epic?

Because Donna is the only one who can go toe-to-toe against Rose for the winning of Dick's heart.

Starfire, despite his passion and love, was history. Babs...she's too identified with the Bat and she has hurt and rejected him so many times so killing her wouldn't be that difficult.

But he has no romantic entanglement with Donna that could cloud the issues, but he loves her like a sister, admires her, respects her. During the Titan days when depression and other doubts threatened to cloud his mind, it seemed that Donna was the only one who could talk sense into him.

And given the way he took her death very hard, I don't think he'd want to see her again, much less be the instrument of her death.

Can we raise the stakes, please?

[gives an evil grin>

Re: Donna

Date: 2006-09-18 12:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nightwing-subs.livejournal.com
Lacked a word in one of the sentences in my last post.

What I meant was:

And given the way he took her death very hard, I don't think he'd want to see her dead again, much less be the instrument of her death.



Re: Donna

Date: 2006-09-19 04:54 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ilyena_sylph
Donna's on her way home, sure, but she's going to be a little bit busy, you know, with the whole thing with Rann-Thanagar and the anomaly...

Your reasonings fascinate me, as per usual.

Re: Donna

Date: 2006-09-19 06:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nightwing-subs.livejournal.com
Well another reasoning that the heroes under coercion by the Wilson family can consider is this...

they all caved in because they all loved Lian, more or less. They can't stand the thought of consigning her to the care of Talia, more or less.

But how long before Canary, who has a strong moral core, and the very paternalistic Roy start thinking that, if they really loved Lian, would raising her in the Wilson universe be the right thing for her?

Would they want to see her grow up to be like Rose, for instance?

Or maybe, under Slade's and Rose's influence, inadvertenly mold her into another Talia al Ghul...

...which would ultimately destroy the very reason of their sacrifice and the compromise of their integrity.

Life is sacred. Especially of your child. Or your lover. True. But at what cost, what price?

I'd give anything for one hero who's really close to Dick - like Tim or Donna - laying down the sword in a manner of speaking and, in a page out of Mahatma Gandhi, tell him that they would rather die than be provoked to kill or live life in the way that Dick has chosen.

I truly wonder who win will over at that moment: Dick or his Renegade persona?

Sorry for rambling, but your writing picks my brain in the same way it squeezes my heart.

Great work!

Re: Donna

Date: 2006-09-19 02:30 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ilyena_sylph
Well another reasoning that the heroes under coercion by the Wilson family can consider is this... they all caved in because they all loved Lian, more or less. They can't stand the thought of consigning her to the care of Talia, more or less.

How very true.

But how long before Canary, who has a strong moral core, and the very paternalistic Roy start thinking that, if they really loved Lian, would raising her in the Wilson universe be the right thing for her?

Mmm... watch my lj for this one. Well, and Filly's, cause she runs the Canary.

Would they want to see her grow up to be like Rose, for instance?

That depends on your definition of "Like Rose". Insane? Hell no. Beautifully lethal? Why not?

Or maybe, under Slade's and Rose's influence, inadvertenly mold her into another Talia al Ghul...

*hissspitkick* Lian couldn't be like that brainless, spineless weak-willed Daddy-obsessed-- *stops, breathes* Sorry, I have Talia issues--if she tried.

...which would ultimately destroy the very reason of their sacrifice and the compromise of their integrity.

Hmm... food for thought.

Life is sacred. Especially of your child. Or your lover. True. But at what cost, what price?

Who're you asking?

I'd give anything for one hero who's really close to Dick - like Tim or Donna - laying down the sword in a manner of speaking and, in a page out of Mahatma Gandhi, tell him that they would rather die than be provoked to kill or live life in the way that Dick has chosen.

Oh, damn, that'd rip people's guts out.

I truly wonder who win will over at that moment: Dick or his Renegade persona?

Dick might just go nuts.

Sorry for rambling, but your writing picks my brain in the same way it squeezes my heart.

Dude(tte?), ramble at me ANYTIME, I love it!!!!

Great work!

*blush* Thankyou!

Date: 2006-09-18 05:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cero-ate.livejournal.com
this one was cute. Loved Roy and Rose. Slade wouldn't have been a good choice for comfort. Dick kind does deserve the nighmares. So much wonderful for this little interlude

Date: 2006-09-18 08:02 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] senmut
When she decided we needed a Dick comfort scene, We both more or less agreed it needed to be Rose. Slade hated Star with a passion, even knowing Addie was not able to be saved. Dinah and Dick are having severe issues, over both Roy, and the potential threat to Babs he represents, and his resentment of her concerning Babs. Roy....don't look for comfort with teh man who was spared from that same massacre.

Still, even knowing what needed to be done, it tore me up to write Rose responding to Dick like this. He's so damaged, and her sanity is just in the early stages of settling down.

Slade and the Titans

Date: 2006-09-19 06:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nightwing-subs.livejournal.com
Hmmm...not updated on my Titans history.

Why does Slade hate Starfire so much? What's Addie got to do wih it?

Why does Dick resent Dinah over Babs? If I recall correctly, in canon, Dick and Dinah have the typical relationship of a girl's bestfriend and her boyfriend: protectiveness, concern, friendliness, a slight teasing here and there. Dinah has also been vocal about her frank admiration for Nightwing (she said something to the effect that he can make a mannequin come alive by his sheer sexiness). And during the tension before the break-up, Dick did let out to Canary some of his fears about Babs breaking up with him. What am I missing?

Re: Slade and the Titans

Date: 2006-09-19 02:10 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ilyena_sylph
To the first: Starfire killed his wife. Yes, Addie asked for it, and no, there was no other choice, but Star killed her in front of him--and say what you will about him, Slade loved his wife.

To the second: get Filly's take on it.

Re: Slade and the Titans

Date: 2006-09-19 02:48 pm (UTC)
senmut: modern style black canary on right in front of modern style deathstroke (BC/O: Caring)
From: [personal profile] senmut
Starfire is the one tha tdelivered the deathblow to Addie, after Grodd had basically rendered it to a point of a mercy killing.

In Birds, where my canon comes from, by the point we've reached, there have been vague grumblings between the women (Huntress, Babs, and Dinah) over the men in their life. I took the liberty of expanding a bit on that, using fanon subtext (if Dick's with Roy, and Dinah knew about that, and Dick was STILL after Babs...would not set well with Babs bestfriend...).

Re: Slade and the Titans

Date: 2006-09-19 06:21 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ilyena_sylph
Slade growled at me over my earlier answer and reminded me that Starfire is/was too powerful and too unpredictable to leave her in play, above and beyond the simple fact of the contract.

Date: 2006-09-18 11:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ilyena_sylph
Thank you!

Date: 2007-02-06 07:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladymordecai.livejournal.com
Tim.

It has to be -- once Kon dies, all Dick has to do is reach out a hand. Oh, GOD. I'm not doing anything till I've read all of this there is, am I?

. . . not that that's BAD. ;)

Date: 2007-02-07 06:28 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ilyena_sylph
It took me a little (sorry, I'm sick, my brain's pea soup) to figure out what you meant, but.. *smile*

I like the way your brain works. Really I do.

*grin* I'm just delighted you're reading it! *grins again*

So, did you get anything else done? *amused* Take your time, it's not going anywhere...

Date: 2007-02-08 08:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladymordecai.livejournal.com
*Take* my *time*? With good fanfic? God, NEVER . . . I'm all finished with this series as far as updates go, as well as HappyVerse, and running short on sleep. I'm okay with that, though, since good reading material is on the list of things I'll miss sleep for.

I was wondering if you would mind if I friended you? I'm new at the whole lj thing and thought I ought to ask.

Date: 2007-02-08 10:31 pm (UTC)
ilyena_sylph: picture of Labyrinth!faerie with 'careful, i bite' as text (Default)
From: [personal profile] ilyena_sylph
*grins at you* Wow, you've gotta be majorly short on sleep, and hey, friend away! I like making new friends.

Date: 2008-04-18 10:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stalinglim.livejournal.com
Awww...

And if you cry in the darkness,
Looking for light,
Searching in vain
For whats wrong or right
A hand will reach out,
Don't ever doubt
An angel in white
Will show you the way,
Back into the day.
(If the angels no angel,
but a demon instead,
Close your eyes, don't fear,
And face without tear
or dread,
your death,
release one last breath
as you die in the arms of your angel.)

Date: 2008-04-20 02:55 pm (UTC)
ilyena_sylph: picture of Labyrinth!faerie with 'careful, i bite' as text (dick/roy)
From: [personal profile] ilyena_sylph
*hugs you*

Thank you for the poetry, sweetie. It's gorgeous.

Date: 2008-04-20 02:57 pm (UTC)
senmut: modern style black canary on right in front of modern style deathstroke (Default)
From: [personal profile] senmut
That is gorgeous poetry, hon! Thank you ever so much.

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