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All previous parts of the "A Darker Path"-verse can be found here. It was getting to be kind of a long list.

Here's the newest part.

Title: Heavier Than A Mountain
Characters: Ensemble cast, hero-side
Rating: PG-13
Warnings: I made Filly cry.
Disclaimer: I wish these guys were mine, I'd be nicer to them. But they're not, DC still owns them
Comments: Merfilly, wonderful woman that she is, wrote Jefferson and Ollie as it became necessary, and betad this for me.



Batman returned from his canvassing of the other floors of the building with little more information than he'd had previously, barring that Starfire had been incapacitated within her room, actually in her own bed, and there were no recent traces of his son within the Tower. Arsenal's weapons were missing, as was a suit, and from the disarray of the bed he had apparently been there recently. How recently, was the question. He avoided the dried blood pooled on the floor--//whose blood, why? They were removed, also why?//--carefully, shifting the cape out of the way to cross the floor to Jim's side.

Jim looked up, Mr. Terrific still completely absorbed in gathering data, and arched a brow.

He shook his head, once. "Nothing above, other than that Starfire was taken down in her bed." He looked from body to body, seeing the severed ends of futures and bonds and partnerships, and said. "I have to go."

"Want company?"

He appreciated the offer more than he could ever express, especially with Jim's own daughter now vanished, in the midst of implementing deep-cover protocols, but, "No, Jim. Watch his back. We can't keep the police out much longer, and the media won't be far behind. Hold them off as long as you can. Their families--" //Deserve more than that from me. I backed them, backed Roy to do this... I have to go to them.//

"You're right. I'll handle it. I'm still owed a favor or two, here and there. Go."

He nodded once, sharply, and turned to leave. Outside, he stopped next to Lantern, Arrow, and Dove. "Dove, I have calls to make. Take care of them. Arrow."

"Yes, Batman?" the younger archer still sounded shaken, voice roughened by tears, but he was holding himself together well, unlike the utterly stricken Green Lantern, who was still shaking against his shoulder.

"This stays silent until I'm finished. I will not have the gossip chain alerting one of their families of a death. Silent to everyone. Even your father."

He was unaccustomed to seeing that kind of mutinous set to the younger Arrow's dark jaw, and the suddenly defiant tilt of his head looked more like his missing brother than himself for a moment--then Connor sighed, and nodded slowly. "All right. But when you go, I go with you."

"Agreed." The insistence saved him the trouble of asking. Given Oliver's likely reaction to the combined pieces of news, //his love his first son his grandchild// having Connor there was definitely the better idea. Finished, he went swiftly to the Batwing and flew for home. On the way, he considered more names, ruling out one after another. Finally, with a mental sigh, he called for one of the younger JSA members, one who might be able to buffer Alan, or at least Molly, against the news, and could handle alerting the rest of her team that one of their own was down, one more missing. Interlinking the necessary communication channels took several moments, more yet to create a strictly person-to-person link, then, "Batman to Stargirl."

"B-Batman?!" it took a moment before her startled voice answered. "I'm here, what can I do for you?"

"Meet me at the Sentinel's in twenty minutes."

"What, wh--I'll be there." She'd collected herself quite professionally, he noticed.

"Batman out." He disconnected the link and returned his attention to the flight, mentally mapping out his next moves. Choi had no one he knew of. Jefferson was still living in Washington, DC, and would be his next stop. Rex was in space, and would have to be reached through what was left of the League. Starfire meant Victor Stone--that stop was definitely last, because as soon as one Titan knew, they all would. With all stealth systems engaged, he piloted the 'Wing back into the Cave and left in one of the cars that bore the least resemblance to the Batmobile. He did not need the complication of Gotham's annoyed police force, not today.

He pulled the car into a still-deserted warehouse, armed the security, and went from the ground floor to the roof to the 'rooftop expressway'--his heart clenched at the words, hearing his son's laughing voice coin them--and he headed for the Scotts home. He'd seen the flash of green flame pass over early in the morning, so it was reasonable to assume he was home, and not at work. If he was incorrect, Molly could surely call him back.

He dropped to the ground next to their home and within a few moments, Stargirl joined him. "Batman, what is it? Why--"

"You may be needed." Hating every moment of the bright sunlit exposure, he walked up to the door and knocked. It opened within a few moments, Molly's expression concerned. "Come in, quickly, before someone notices."

He stepped inside, Stargirl following, and heard Alan's warm, calm baritone call, "Molly? Who was at the door?"

"Batman, love. And Stargirl."

That brought Alan into the hall itself, sharp eyes searching his face and that of the girl beside him, who responded with a puzzled gesture he could half-see.

"Batman? What brings you to my door at this time of day?"

"Alan--" he could not believe the catch in his voice, or the fact that he had to swallow before he could continue. "Alan, Molly, you need to sit down, please."

"This must be bad. Molly, come on." Bruce watched him wrap a sheltering arm around his wife, and wondered how Jim hade done this so often. He followed them into the living room, and waited until they settled, Stargirl hovering anxiously next to them, attempting to glare at him.

"All right. What is it, Batman?"

There was simply no good way to say this, no way to cushion the blow... "It's Jenny-Lynn. All of the Outsiders, actually."

"Jenny? How bad is she hurt?!" quick, sharp question from the young girl. He looked at Alan... and saw the stricken, soul-deep understanding write itself across his face.

"Courtney... Batman wouldn't be here if she was just hurt." Alan's voice was still so strong. "She's... gone, isn't she?"

"Yes." He saw Molly struggling with tears, watched Stargirl drop like her strings had been cut onto the couch, and black, dark hatred burned in his soul over this.

"You said all of the Outsiders," Alan reminded him, demanding more information with agony blazed across his face.

He nodded, and answered. "Everyone but Nightwing and Arsenal. No one has seen or heard from Nightwing since the end of the gang wars, and Arsenal is missing. Starfire, Grace, Thunder, and Shift, however... We found them all, inside the Tower."

He watched Molly lose her battle with the tears, and Courtney wrap around her, Alan's spine so very stiff as he held tightly to his wife, grief and rage and a hundred other emotions blazing across his face. "Who?"

"We don't know. I left Terrific and Jim Gordon at the scene, processing it. The New York police may be inside by now. Alan... Kyle found them."

Alan winced, eyes dropping closed, a few tears beginning to streak down his face. He seemed not to notice them, and reopened his eyes. "Poor child. How can I help?"

"Tell the rest of the JSA." He left the 'they're your family,' unspoken, "but then keep it quiet until I can reach everyone involved."

The Sentinel nodded once, sharp and precise. "I can do that. What else is there, Batman?"

He'd hoped to give this a moment, give them time to absorb one shock before slamming them with the other. "Dinah's missing. She's been taken. The Birds found her gear and her costume scattered across Metropolis."

Shock lashed across Alan's face again, and Molly pressed tighter to her husband, shaking as Alan crumpled, leaning into her. Hearing about his daughter had been a deeply personal blow for himself, but this was going to hit one of his best friends just as hard. Courtney's face was the color of chalk, nearly as pale as her costume, and for a moment he was concerned that she had stopped breathing. Her soft whisper of "oh, no..." was almost lost in Molly's single, louder word, "Ted..."

//Wildcat.// That was going to be bad. The bonds between the burly fighter and Dinah were well-known and deep. He wasn't going to take it well.

"Dinah'll be okay, she'll come out on top. She has to." The Bat wished he had a tenth of Stargirl’s faith, but given the current situation... She might very well not.

"Batman, you see to the other parents, I'll handle telling Ted and my team."

"Thank you, Alan."

"No. Thank you, for not letting me simply receive a phone call."

The Bat shook his head, negating even the possibility of that end--//I lost a child too, Alan. I would not let--// and Alan spoke again. "Go now, before another parent is not so fortunate."

He nodded once, and turned to leave, Molly's shaken sobs echoing in his ears like thunderbolts.

*~*~*

He turned the Batwing south for D.C., stealth fully engaged and below the radar line, ignoring the surging waves below to place another comm. call, this one to his one-time teammate and friend. //Pierce... I’m so sorry.//

"Jefferson Pierce, who is this?"

"It’s me. We need to talk. Half an hour, the old airstrip." He would know which one, it was a longstanding fallback point.

"I can't ju--"

"Yes, you can. Meet me." He wanted to say so many things, 'Don't turn on the news' and 'leave the radio off' just to begin--but there was no faster way to get him to do precisely what you didn't want, like so many of the heroes. //Like Dic--stop that. You'll find him. He's just gone to ground, after what happened. (He wouldn't leave Ti--) Just. Stop. You have other things to concentrate on.// He forced back the thoughts, listening to Jefferson grumble a little longer. Finally, "All right, I'll come. This had better be important..."

//You have no idea.// "Out."

He taxied the jet to the end of the runway and into the open hangar. He dropped out--and Jefferson looked up from chocking one of the wheels. "So what's going on?"

"Jefferson... it's Anissa." The daughter he'd hidden from everyone, the daughter he'd never wanted to see follow in his footsteps--and she'd been utterly unwilling to do anything else. He watched him pale, then go dark with anger, his temper boiling up already.

"What's happened to my daughter, Bats?"

"Someone--actually, almost certainly several someones--attacked the Outsiders headquarters, very professionally. There were... no survivors when Green Lantern and Green Arrow found them. Mr. Terrific is on-site--"

That was as far as he managed to get before Jefferson crashed to his knees, hands clenching in fists.

"No, damn you, no! Not my daughter!!!" The energy began to crackle around those hands, through the eyes. Batman crouched, getting on eye level with him.

"Don't." His voice was tough, guttural as he snarled the word. "Don't take away her choice's meaning by doing this! You hang on to your control; hang on to this rage and grief... and help me find who did this!"

The words took a long, hard moment to sink in, then the energy grounded out, and Jefferson hung his head, sobbing in a gasping breath. Now, Batman reached out, laying a heavy hand on the man's shoulder.

"I'm there for you, Batman. I swear... Just losing Joanna... and now Anissa..." The man was shaken to his core, unsure of why he still lived when the hero business had taken two bright and beautiful women from his family... especially his beloved daughter.

"You know how to reach me... and I need you to alert the others," Batman said, giving him purpose. "No details yet, but have them ready to move."

"Yeah..." The depth of his loss showed in that imprecise word. Jefferson was a very educated man, and preferred to show it at all times.

"I've got others... I'm against the media clock," Batman told his friend, knowing that he would understand, no matter the pain. Jefferson nodded, slowly, and pulled his head up.

"Go... and I'll get the team." He struggled up, accepting Batman's hand when the other was up quicker. "Who's leading our side of the investigation?"

"Mister Terrific." That made Jefferson nod sharply.

"Heard he's good."

"Better than me, Jefferson."

Those words drew a surprised look--and then one of realization and sympathy. "Batman, what about Nightwing?"

"Missing. He vanished last month. The only Outsider I'm not certain is dead is Arsenal--if he is, his body wasn't there."

Jefferson looked puzzled by that particular omission. He knew from Anissa that Roy was a rock solid teammate, a man who lived for one thing outside his own daughter. That reason, like Anissa's, was to be a hero as good as his parent, or better.

Batman had no answer, and his suspicion was staying in his own mind only until there was some corroborating evidence. Throwing suspicions around would serve no one but their enemies. "I don't know. Jefferson... I..."

"It's all right, Batman. You don't have to say it. Go. I'll get the blocks and start contacting people."

He nodded and climbed back into the jet, waiting until he saw Jefferson step well clear to reignite the engine and taxi out. //I can't beat the news across the continent, and Jim can't stall them much longer.// That was simple fact, and for a moment he missed the simplicity of the transporter within the Cave, but he would not go back to the League now. Green Lantern was in no shape to make the trip--if he was even capable of enough focus to wield the ring--and with Kal and West both on an urgent mission in space with J'onn, he refused to be carried along like baggage on what was his problem, not the League's. Diana was--he couldn't think about Diana, not now, not with these deaths as well... Few options left... and only one he could stand at this moment. He dialed Jason Blood.

"Bruce?" the mage's voice was startled.

"Jason. I... need to be on the West Coast an hour ago, with the younger Green Arrow. Can you come to the Cave within the hour?"

"Of course. Bruce, you sound--"

"Jason." //Don't, not now. I can't.//

"As you wish." The Bat could hear the 'for now' in his one-time teacher's voice clear as day.

"Out." He disconnected, and routed a call to Connor. "Arrow."

"Batman. Mr. Terrific has allowed the police within. We've kept the reporters away for now, but..."

"Is Lantern still conscious?"

"Yes... he's, well--" Connor struggled for the words, and Bruce saved him the trouble.

"I know. Is he capable of bringing you to Gotham?"

"I... will ask." He heard the soft noise of muffled voices, then Connor's voice returned. "He says yes. We'll be right there."

"Batman out." That finished, he turned his attention to flying, pushing the jet hard to beat the Lantern into his Cave. When he touched down and returned to the main level, Alfred was waiting beside the computers, a deeply concerned look on his face. "Master Bruce, what has happened? I awoke to find rather a state of disarray..."

"Someone hit the Outsiders, Alfred. No survivors. Jim and Mr. Terrific are processing the scene. Arsenal's missing along with his daughter, and someone took Dinah out from under Oracle's nose. She's initiated Delphi, and will make contact once secure. Blood will be here along with Green Lantern and Green Arrow within the next few minutes. See to Kyle, he found them. I have to reach Ollie and Victor before the vultures get it onto the air." Only decades of perfect emotional control allowed him to hold to the Bat's voice with this man, about this, in the middle of this.... "Get the signal watch, Alfred, put it on, and change the security settings throughout the grounds. I'll contact Robin when I reach Cyborg. If Batgirl will return, bring her home. The Haven can handle itself."

The harsh indrawing of breath echoed loud within the Cave, and Alfred's impassive façade cracked to reveal all the fear as he asked, "And Master Richard?"

"No trace, Alfred. He wasn't with them, either."

Relief washed across Alfred's face... and Jason walked in through the tunnel with his usual courtesy. He could have appeared anywhere he chose. "Bruce?" he called, looking around.

"Here."

Moments behind him came Lantern and Arrow, Kyle's path slightly unsteady as they dropped next to Jason.

"Master Blood. Master Hawke." Alfred spoke to them both, but his attention was on the weakened, ravaged Lantern. "Master Rayner. Come above," he encouraged, and when Hawke pushed gently on Kyle's shoulder, he nodded and allowed Alfred to shepherd him out of the cave.

"Green Arrow, meet Jason Blood, mage. Jason, Green Arrow."

Connor tilted his head slightly, thinking, then nodded. "It's a pleasure."

"A mutual one. Batman, what's the crisis?"

"Listen in while I tell Ollie. That's where we're headed. Star City, as quickly as you can manage it."

Jason gave him a sharp, long look, and his face shifted in the way that meant Etrigan was loud within him. He forced it back after a moment, and looked straight into his eyes, despite the lenses in the way. "You get more annoying by the year. Come close, both of you."

He stepped over, mentally cursing how well Jason knew him. His teacher knew there was something wrong, now, and apparently The Demon did as well. Jason began to chant, casting... and when his vision cleared from the blur of travel, they were standing beside Star City's harbor. "Hopefully this suits well enough," Jason said, his voice exhausted.

"More than. Arrow?"

"This way," he answered and took off, posture betraying a man trying not to run, and he followed. He heard Jason at his side and trailed Connor over the roofs until they reached Ollie's residence and dropped down behind it.

Connor let himself in and called out, "Dad! DAD!"

"Connor? Shouldn't you be in--Batman? Blood?" Ollie'd stuck his head out of the kitchen, and the curious warmth had bleached to cautious unease. He stepped fully out of the kitchen, leaning back against the wall.

"Ollie, you need to sit down."

"Now I know the world's ending, but, okay, Bats." He walked towards the living room, and settled into a chair. Connor dropped to sit on his heels next to the chair, somehow managing to watch both of them as Batman considered for a moment how to lay this out. Jason leaned back against one wall, catching his breath.

"Tell me straight, Bats. What in hell brings you here, in full daylight? Thought your type was nocturnal." Ollie's wise crack covered a deep fear; he knew this man too well to think it was not deeply serious.

Bruce let his eyes close behind the cowl, and answered. "Connor put a mayday across the old league channel approximately two hours ago, from the Outsiders headquarters. I responded. Ollie," personal name, for the friendship they'd once had, "Every meta Outsider is dead, taken down and executed. Roy's missing, and Huntress reported to me that Lian's been taken."

Connor's face whitened with shock and he grabbed for his father's hand.

Ollie flinched violently, his face draining of color. The world seemed to be spinning out of control as he sat very still, before slowly looking to his son Connor. His expression said so many things, not confined to relief that one son was with him, fear for the other son, and a need to just deny the news he had been given. "Br...Bats, it can't be," Ollie denied, turning back once he had the boy's hand clasped tight in his own.

"It is. I walked the scene myself. I've been to Alan and to Jefferson. I can't contact Rex--he's with Superman and Flash in the next quadrant--and Cyborg. They were finished by .45 caliber rounds to the back of the skull once they were down." /

Connor just clung to him. He'd known his brother was missing, but his niece, too? Who would do this, and why?

".45's..." Ollie grimaced. "I...I can't think why he would have been anywhere else, or out of contact, to not get the alarm if someone broke in," Ollie managed to say. "He set their security himself." Ollie looked up at the ceiling, trying to hide the moisture forming in his eyes. "And Lian...Could it have been that bitch Cheshire?"

"I don't keep close tabs on her, but it's possible. This early, there's no ruling anyone out." //Even your son, and it sounds like you know it.//

"We tripped the alarms. Kyle and I, forcing the doors to get in when no-one picked up and Jade and Roy both weren't answering their phones..." Connor spoke up from beside him.

Ollie wiped irritably at his eyes, standing up to pace in contained fury and grief. "Dammit Bats, must be some clue!"

"Terrific's on it, Ollie. If there is, he'll find it. But it was professional work, even at a first look. Policed brass, precise shots, nothing wasted." When Ollie came close, put his body between Connor's eyes and his own hands, one hand flashed in an old, quick signal. //Privacy,// it demanded, and he tipped his head slightly towards the youngest. //Pay attention, Queen,// he thought loudly.

"I..." Ollie's jaw set for a moment in the old way, before he flushed. "Connor, son... go get Mia...and call Hal for me." He then looked at Bruce with a helplessness at war with stubborn denial.

Connor nodded and rose in one quick flow, "Keys in the kitchen?" He'd seen that motion, but the idea of his sister alone was making his skin crawl, and Ollie needed more support than he could give. He'd take the cell along and call from the car. / Once the door closed behind him. "That's not all, Ollie."

Ollie let out a harsh sigh. "Not enough to come tell me my son...my boy is missing with my granddaughter?" //Or to accuse him like I hear in your voice?// The man paced away. "What about Di...Nightwing? He ever turn up?"

"No. He's completely vanished... Ollie, it's Dinah." His voice slipped, and it was hard for him to care that it did. They'd been occasional rivals over the vivacious fighter for years, but one thing never in doubt had been the archer's love for her. His commitment and his sanity had both come into question, but not that he loved her.

Ollie staggered, catching himself on the mantle, his eyes going immediately to the picture there, the one he never removed, even when it got real heavy with Dawn. It had not been very many days since he saw her last, as they tried to plan how to keep responding to League events with the League itself splitting apart from the foundation up. With J'onn, Clark and Wally gone, they were fracturing into bits already. As it sank fully in, he felt like he could not breathe, and it took all his ability to ask. "Dead?" //Please god, I can't live through that! She's my soul! //

"Unknown. Oracle's team found her comm gear in an alley this morning, all of her costume ten blocks the other direction. That leads me to believe she's alive." He couldn't bring himself to believe she was dead, not with that kind of care having been taken.

The ragged sigh told Batman that Ollie would never stop hoping, that he would cling to the belief both of his missing family were alive somewhere. "Any chance... no, you'd have known. If she had reason to go deep." He shivered, remembering Seattle, her deep assignment to find the slasher. "Dammit Bats, why?! Why my Boy's team?"

"I don't know. I can't see the profit in it. Starfire's death will make every last Titan hunt her killer to the ends of the earth. Once the JSA regroups from the shock, they'll go on the hunt as well, with one of their children dead and one missing. My Outsiders are going to be out for blood for Jefferson's sake, and taking out Shift enrages Rex and all of his. This kind of a hit... it's suicide."

Ollie shook his head. "Makes no fucking sense, Bats. What fucking psychopath hits a team like that, knowing damn well that kind of firepower will come after them?" He met Batman's eyes, wishing the damn mask wasn't there, so he could see the truth of his old friend's thoughts.

Bruce reached up after a moment, fighting himself to do so, and flicked the lenses back, strain and grief and forced down, pushed back fear in his eyes. "Someone very sure that we're going to be too busy to come after them..."

Ollie searched those eyes a long moment. "With the League the way it is, we are stretched thin right now," Ollie agreed, choking down the bile he felt that this man, his one time friend could think his Roy was that cold blooded.

"Very," Bruce nodded. "And unless there's something at that scene I didn't see, we aren't going to know who for a while... This... is going to be worse than Sue's funeral, Ollie. There's going to be too much rage for anyone to think clearly, throughout the community... and with Dick and Roy missing, it's going to backlash. I can see it coming--but I can't see a way around it." He knew his people too well, could even predict where the worst of it would come from... and it was unavoidable.

"God dammit." Ollie turned away again. "We're fucking being ripped apart, piece by piece, and there's not a god damned thing we can do about it?!" He clenched his hands into fists. "What happened to us?! When did we let it all get away?!"

"You tell me, Ollie."

Ollie felt his own shoulders slump in defeat. It all came back to that. "Bats..." He bit his tongue then, refusing to air it now, not with Blood right there. "Our boys are out there, and they might have the answers we need," he said instead, turning back to the man. "Time for the Brave and the Bold to get their acts together?" He was reaching, trying to let Batman put the past aside, for sake of the future.

"...past time. If we don't, who will?" There was no point in his anger, no value in holding on to his rage over long-past events... not with his son on the line. Both of their sons, and the woman they both--cared deeply for. The memory of her lips flickered through his mind for just a moment.

Jason knew, then, that whatever was riding his old student so hard had it's roots in that flat statement and the utter defeat it brought, and the demon within him clamored in rage for answers. "If you will allow, I may be able to find them. Give me something of theirs--it will be destroyed, I warn you. But something that holds a part of them."

Ollie hesitated, then walked over to a wall safe, opening it quickly. From with in, he pulled two items. One was an arrow, the other a mask Batman knew all too well. It was Speedy's original mask, no doubt the one from before the drugs drove Ollie to kick him out. He handled both objects reverently, then slipped the mask back into the safe. "Here... first arrow he ever made after becoming my partner." Ollie spoke in gruff tones,; giving it up came at a price, but he would pay anything to have his boy safe.

Jason took that with all the solemnity it deserved, nodding once.

"Everything like that of Dick's is in the Manor, Jason. We'll have to go back... I still must reach Vic before the news does--Robin's in the Tower as well."

A fist rat-a-tat-ed against the main door, harsh, brash knock that nearly screamed Hal Jordan's name.

"Go Bats...." Ollie made a small, abortive attempt to reach out, then stilled himself and put his hand behind his back. "Come in, Hal," he choked out, moving back to the mantle, to the picture. His Pretty Bird was standing in it, years ago with her short, dark hair, his boy pressed up under her arm casually, both of them laughing for him as he snapped the shot.

Hal pushed the door open and walked in, as young (younger) and bold as the first time Bruce had seen him, and the Bat was grateful he'd managed to return. He was the only person that could keep Ollie grounded, now. "Bruce, Blood... Ollie, what the hell's going on? Connor sounds awful, and this pair's here?" Then he really saw his best friend, and crossed the room in a few long strides, hand on his shoulder. "What is it?"

Blood nodded at Hal, and carefully tucked the arrow away, waiting for Bruce's word to go.

Ollie shook his head. "They're both missing, Hal. Pretty Bird, and my boy. My boy's whole team...'cept rob...Nightwing... dead." A moment later, "And Lian, too, my grandbaby..."

"Oh, gods. The Outsiders are... And Roy's missing, and Dinah? What in the hell? So, where's your kid, Bats?" Hal wrapped his arm hard around Ollie's shoulders, hand fisting into the shirt to let him know he wasn't alone.

"I don't know... he vanished, almost a month ago. The Titans have to be told, Hal," and his eyes said, //Take care of him.//

Hal glared back, then nodded once, harshly, and turned his attention back to Ollie completely. "Both... I found Roy once. I can do it again. And I've tracked Dinah. Ollie, we'll find them."

Ollie in safe hands--and when had Hal Jordan regained that accolade?--Bruce took the steps to his former teacher, and nodded.

Hal guided Ollie to the couch, ignoring the other two as they prepared to leave, intent solely on keeping Ollie together.

Jason started to chant again, and with a faint reek of sulphur, the two were gone.

*~*~*~

A lazy Tuesday morning in the Titan's Tower was suddenly shattered as Raven leapt to her feet at the breakfast table, eyes wide, hands flattened against the tabletop, breathing quick and erratic, power surging around her hands.

"Ray?!" Vic was the first to react, getting to his feet worriedly, Beast Boy half a second behind him.

"Demon, there's a demon here," she replied, words coming in quick succession. "Outside."

Vic blinked, reaching to connect to the monitors, then relaxed. "It's just Jason Blood, Raven... and Batman!?"

"Oh, shit!" was Gar's to-the-point opinion. "I'm going to go wake Robin." Three morning people and one night owl made for interesting schedules, but no way were they dealing with Batman without Robin.

Raven shuddered, trying to calm down. "I'll, ah, be upstairs..." The sooner she got behind the extra shields on her room, the safer they all would be.

Vic sighed softly, nodded, and went out to meet Batman, wondering how it was that he always got stuck with this sort of thing. "Batman, good morning... Hi," he nodded at the Mage. 'Blood' meant something very specific to the Titans, especially right now, but the knight-turned-mage wasn't the kind of guy you just said 'hey, Jase' to.

Bruce watched the half-smile on Cyborg's face and forced himself to nod. "Victor."

"Are you... looking for Robin? Because Gar went to wake him up..."

"No, I wasn't. There's news. You should probably all be sitting down for this." Jason winced, off to his left, and he turned, "Blood?"

"I'm all right. I believe I shall remain here, however. Etrigan is being... vocal, about Raven. Best not to push things."

Batman nodded once. From that expression, Etrigan was giving Jason serious problems. He made a mental note for later, and followed Victor into the Tower, then into the main den, where Vic settled onto a couch and waved his hand at the rest of the seating in offering. He shook his head, denying the need, and Robin came through the door silently, the set of his jaw and shoulders telegraphing apprehension and defiance to his elder partner. He knew what his own body was displaying a heartbeat too late, when Tim's shoulders tightened in reaction and his cheeks went pale. Beast Boy was hovering outside the door, obviously torn, and he spoke up. "Garfield. Is Raven awake?"

"She's in her room, Etrigan out there threw her for a loop and she's hiding in her shields. D'you need her?" The boy hovered in the doorway.

"It's not necessary. Come in, you all need to hear this."

The boy settled next to Victor, unsurprisingly, and watched him warily. Robin's eyes were narrowed behind the mask, and he could hear that agile mind trying to rationalize the situation at hand and failing due to lack of information. "Robin, I'll give you additional details once I'm finished. Victor, Garfield. Two and a half hours ago, the younger Green Arrow hailed all senior League members via an old comm. channel from the Outsiders headquarters. When I responded, Starfire, Shift, Grace, Thunder, and Jade were all down, professionally executed in the main lobby. You all know Nightwing is still missing. Now, so is Arsenal--on first look, there was no trace of him at the scene. Mr. Terrific is processing the scene. Once he's finished, it will be turned over to the NYPD. Lian Harper is also missing, her sitter also dead. You'll be needed in New York to identify the body, Victor. With Dick missing, you're her posted next of kin."

He'd kept his head turned to Cyborg, but his eyes watched Robin's face, watched him struggle with shock and dismay and win, just barely. The thought that this last blow might be too much for his young partner had, thankfully, been apparently incorrect, Robin was still in control. He'd accepted Tim's decision to move west to the Tower after all of the deaths he had suffered--Gotham held too many memories for his Robin, at the moment--better he be safely in the elder Titan's hands than alone in the city that had swallowed his older son's life and soul.

"Oh, god, no," the automatic denial fell from Beast Boy's lips, not Cyborg's, and when he looked back the two were almost identically stunned. "Not Goldie, no..." His voice was helpless, shaken, and he looked so young... //They're all so young.//

Victor's jaw worked a moment before he could speak. "I... thank you, Batman. For not letting us catch it on the morning news. I'll be in the City as quickly as I can... but first..." he trailed off, hand waving towards the monitors.

"You have family to contact. I know. That's why I came. The bodies may be in police custody for some time," he warned the young man. The others had already known, but he was less certain of Stone.

"I know. What do I tell the Titans, though? When are we..."

"Talk to the Sentinel and Black Lightning about that." He preferred it be soon, so that they could grieve and move on, but it was not his decision, on any level.

"Right. I'll do that," and Cyborg's head dropped into his hands, elbows braced on his knees. "I never wanted to do this again," his voice soft, almost broken. "I... I'll get on it."

Beast Boy changed shape, and a large cat pushed its way under Vic's arms to sit on him, purring with stress and fear, and Batman nodded once. "Robin." The word was an order, and the teen nodded, coming to his feet to follow him out of the room, out onto the grounds, posture savagely alert, expression hidden behind the perfect mask of his face.

"You said you had more details," as they stopped and faced each other.

"Yes. Oracle and I were on-line when Green Arrow's call came through. Black Canary disappeared this morning. Blue Beetle is dead. Dick's vanished--"

"She's initiating Delphi," Robin finished his thought.

"Yes. Whoever took her knew not only to remove her jewelry, but that her costume was riddled with tracers, the Birds found it, as well. We have no way to find her, any transmission should be considered compromised. Until Oracle re-establishes contact, we're out an information broker."

"What else?"

"The perimeter alarms were never triggered. Starfire was disabled while still in bed, and then finished in the main lobby with the rest of them. In contrast, Jade, Thunder, and Grace were all injured, and there was damage to the building's structure from a struggle. Shift was incapacitated at an unknown time. Excluding Shift, all were executed by means of a single .45 round to the back of the skull. Very professionally done, very clean."

Robin whistled, low and soft, "That takes talent, to hack security Dick and Roy put together..." His lips hardened. "Or an insider... but Dick wouldn't let Kory die. Not of his own volition. And Roy wouldn't turn on his team. Hm. Someone might have gotten to one of them... or even both... but why take Lian? This doesn't add up--and I'm baffled as to who would willingly incite this kind of reaction. I mean..."

"The repercussions are going to be severe, yes."

"That's kind of like calling water wet, Batman," Robin said acidly, then paused. "Do you need me in Gotham?"

"No. You're going to be needed here. I sent A to locate Batgirl, she should be backup enough. Cyborg's going to be distracted, check your security again. I don't need to tell you what routines. A has reinforced the security on the grounds, should you find a need to return. If Nightwing contacts you..." Slim, slim hope.

"Treat it as compromised, flag or trace the routes, search it for encoding and copy it to you. Yes."

Of course Robin knew. "As more information becomes available, I'll copy you on it, and leave it to your discretion what to share with the Titans."

"I appreciate it. I need to be with my team..." he looked backwards, and Bruce agreed. "Go. Jason and I are returning to the Cave, the usual comm. channels will be active."

Robin nodded once, and turned to trot back to the Tower. Jason walked up behind him, and laid a hand on his shoulder. "Ready?"

"Yes," he nodded. "Are these jumps--"

"I am fine. Let us return."

//And you call me stubborn?// he thought, listening to Jason begin the chant again... and then they were safely returned to the Cave. He called out the nonsense phrases that ordered the Crays to cease the defense routines, and walked quickly across to the costume vault, steeling himself against the coming loss. Within the vault, he spun the combination to the floor safe and pulled it open. His hands slipped through several items, finally lifting two out, carrying them back to Jason. "Here," he said harshly, giving up Dick's gauntlets, remembering every time they'd locked around his wrists in perfect trust...

"Those should do, yes. This spell will take me some time, Bruce, and requires components from my workroom. Would you prefer I cast it there, or return?"

He was torn for a moment, then answered. "If you'll be safe, return. I--" he stopped, shaking his head, unable to say what he was thinking, even to Jason, not if he was going to hold on to his composure.

"I shall," Jason nodded, and walked swiftly towards the tunnel exit, then was gone.

He sat down to begin documenting the day's events, getting every detail down while it was still fresh in his mind. The bats rustled and squeaked above, seeming louder than usual in the echoing, utter emptiness of the Cave.


((note: The full quote is "Duty is heavier than a mountain, but death is lighter than a feather"))

Date: 2006-09-14 04:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gottaluvit123.livejournal.com
Oh wow, just WOW!!! Awsome! And the next part can't come quick enough!

Date: 2006-09-14 04:17 am (UTC)
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be up as soon as she says it is okay

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Date: 2006-09-14 04:46 am (UTC)
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*grins* Thanks! *happiness* Next part should be up from filly, now...

Date: 2006-09-14 04:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hockeyiris.livejournal.com
Oh hell. Oh hell. Wow damn whoa.
I can't quote because I'd quote everything.
Nice Tim!
Love the not-too-subtle Vic/Gar there.
Batsy implicating Ollie's son, but refusing to say anything about his own. So very Bat-ass of him.
Everything was just great.

But....//Like Dic--stop that. You'll find him. He's just gone to ground, after what happened. (He wouldn't leave Ti--) Just. Stop. You have other things to concentrate on.//

That has me thinking... what are Dick's thoughts on abandoning his little brother to this madness with the chance he'll get destroyed in the crossfire?

Date: 2006-09-14 04:59 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ilyena_sylph
*happy, happy, happiness* Thank you!
I like incoherence as feedback, it means I did my job right.
Glad you like my Tim. He was being... restrained. Very, very restrained.
Hey, if they want to shove that Vic and Gar are basically each other's worlds down my throat in canon, I'm not gonna not use it in fanfic. *shrug*
Why is everyone down on Bruce about this? Roy's been drawn with a .45 since his Checkmate days, people know it. And they also know Nightwing won't go near a gun. It's logical, damn it.
Thank you!

Dick's gonna do everything he can for baby-bro from the shadows, but if you'll look at...Negotiations, you'll see how scared he was for lil' bro, and in Fresh Start, you'll see Dick's thoughts.
"Tim is a BAT to the core, Tim'll hate me once he knows, I couldn't/can't tell him/see him."

Date: 2006-09-14 04:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greeneyelove.livejournal.com
Well, I cried. That was so great!!! I can not wait for more. The reactions to the news were dead on. Just perfect.

Date: 2006-09-14 05:00 am (UTC)
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I'm glad I could pull that kind of emotion out of you.

*grin* Um, check Filly's page, you'll get some more.

Thank you! Like I said, Filly handled Jefferson and Ollie for me, which made this like a million times better than it would have been on my own.

Thank you again!

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Date: 2006-09-14 07:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nightwing-subs.livejournal.com
OK, I just breezed through this at work because the monitors in *this* place won't allow me to read and savor each wonderful word of fanfic.

But your header is correct: DC should want to write like this. This is far far better than IC. The anguish. The pain. The loss. The desire for retribution, justice, or maybe plain revenge.

Off the cuff, at first glance, just the few things that stood out and felt oh-so-right:

1) Green Arrow experiencing the heaviest burden of all. He lost his girl, his oldest, and his grandson all at the same time. Bruce may have lost Dick, but he still has Tim, Babs, Alfred, and Selina.

2) The rivalry of GA and Bats over Canary coming to the fore, but I was touched when they put their rivalry and even past pains away to work for the future. The return of the Brave and the Bold sent chills down my spine.

3) The implication that whoever did this was courting a lot of fire power. You traced the familial bonds all too well...from the JLA to the Titans to the JSA to the Outsiders...these heroes' lives have been intertwined from the beginning and it will be hard to untangle that.

4) Bruce's ingenuity of taking Blood in to see who was behind the crime. Score one for you, Bruce! Bet Slade - nor Dick - ever saw that coming.

Now here's my take:

In as much as I love Slade/Dick, I wish you'd write something where Slade and his family get their comeuppance. This is a lot of grief and pain that demands justice. You might have planned for Slade to win in the end...but this one piece demands a version of "The Heroes Strike Back!"

I also wish that Slade realizes that he might have gotten in over his head. I don't think these heroes - as you depict them - will take this sitting down. And what about Dick? True, he's accepted his calling now...but has he ever really thought it through? To see what he did to the heroes who were his second family all because he had some issues with Bruce, and because Slade loves (possesses) him in a way nobody else does. My God, Dick, how can you be so petty?

This one fine series you're doing. It has the makings of an epic. And you capture the voices so well. Never once have I felt that the characters were written out-of-character: Bruce's masterful detective rising above his own turmoil, Alan's irreproachable dignity, Jefferson out for bloodlust, Green Arrow who can be so infuriating and forgiving and heroic at the same time, Hal the stalwart best friend...

You made me realize how much I love these guys and why I spend good money to buy their titles every single month. THEY ARE HEROES. You made me feel that again to the point that, my own OT pairing aside, I do wish you'd write Slade and Dick some bloody payback!

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Date: 2006-09-14 08:25 am (UTC)
ilyena_sylph: picture of Labyrinth!faerie with 'careful, i bite' as text (audrey too)
From: [personal profile] ilyena_sylph
OK, I just breezed through this at work because the monitors in *this* place won't allow me to read and savor each wonderful word of fanfic.

Bah. Stupid work--but thank you oh so much for taking time out of your day to come and read!

But your header is correct: The anguish. The pain. The loss. The desire for retribution, justice, or maybe plain revenge.

*grins* I didn't expect anyone to take my borrowing of 'Filly's disclaimer that seriously, but thank you so much! *happiness* I'm trying.

1) Green Arrow experiencing the heaviest burden of all... Bruce may have lost Dick, but he still has Tim, Babs, Alfred, and Selina.

Mmm.... does he have Selina, at this point? But yes, Ollie's been hardest hit by this.

2) The rivalry of GA and Bats over Canary coming to the fore, but I was touched when they put their rivalry and even past pains away to work for the future. The return of the Brave and the Bold sent chills down my spine.

*g* That's filly's fault for giving me the scans of those old panels, and Simone's fault after BoP 90, but I'm glad it works. There's a lot of pain and anger between them, right now, but it's not half as important as the grief they share.

3) The implication that whoever did this was courting a lot of fire power. You traced the familial bonds all too well...from the JLA to the Titans to the JSA to the Outsiders...these heroes' lives have been intertwined from the beginning and it will be hard to untangle that.

I get so enraged at the fact that DC forgets/can't handle the fact that these families are families, not just when it's convenient but all the time that the connections tend to come out very, very strongly when I write (even when it means begging for canon-info from any source I can get my paws on cause I'm a broke college kid and don't know the character that should be involved...)

4) Bruce's ingenuity of taking Blood in to see who was behind the crime. Score one for you, Bruce! Bet Slade - nor Dick - ever saw that coming.

Mmm... no. Jason's not working the scene, he's doing a major scrying for the kids specifically. Unfortunately, Slade knew who he was pissing off when he accepted that contract, and Jason's spells are going to slam hard, hard hard into Circe's wards.

Now here's my take:

Always a delight to hear...

In as much as I love Slade/Dick, I wish you'd write something where Slade and his family get their comeuppance. This is a lot of grief and pain that demands justice. You might have planned for Slade to win in the end...but this one piece demands a version of "The Heroes Strike Back!"

Mmm, You're right, there is a ton of grief and pain that does demand answers... but Slade hasn't survived this long without knowing where to push and how to deflect.

I also wish that Slade realizes that he might have gotten in over his head. I don't think these heroes - as you depict them - will take this sitting down.

Slade's aware -enough-. Maybe not fully, but he is very well aware of what he's done. He wants them angry, at this point.

And what about Dick? True, he's accepted his calling now...but has he ever really thought it through? .. My God, Dick, how can you be so petty?

Yes, he's thought it through... and trust me, he's going to have screaming nightmares about Kory for years. Knowing there was no way he could save her ripped him apart.

No, you're missing the point. It wasn't his issues with Bruce that did this to him, not wholly. It was his participation in and acceptance of Blockbuster's murder that put Dick in this position--in his own mind, he is a killer now, and Slade found him at the prefect time to exploit it, to offer him a path, a place, a way again. I can't believe I'm going to say this, but... read Nightwing 112, all the lines about his emptiness and running on habit and the utter loss that pours out of every word. Slade used that, used his pain and grief, and made Dick over in his own image.

It's not pettiness. It's that there is nowhere else for him to go. (Which makes Batman whatever-it-was hurt so damned much, because this Dick will never, ever have his father's forgiveness and love back, and god, it hurts me to know he could have.)

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Date: 2006-09-14 08:26 am (UTC)
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This one fine series you're doing. It has the makings of an epic. And you capture the voices so well. Never once have I felt that the characters were written out-of-character:

I... thank you, so very, very much. Bruce is so very near-and-dear to me, I'm always overjoyed when people think I do him justice. Alan... Alan was a desperate shot in the dark and I'm overjoyed he worked. All credit for Jefferson and Ollie goes to Merfilly, who wrote them, but THANK YOU. And Hal... I'm so happy with Hal.

You made me realize how much I love these guys and why I spend good money to buy their titles every single month. THEY ARE HEROES. You made me feel that again to the point that, my own OT pairing aside, I do wish you'd write Slade and Dick some bloody payback!

Oh... oh. my. god... Thank you!!! I... I am completely and totally floored by that... That's the... the most amazing, flattering thing you could have said to me. I just... I can't stop smiling. I just can't, because, god, yes, the ARE, and if DC won't give them to me that way, I will write them correctly.

As to bloody payback... you'll have to tell me if what winds up happening, what they lose what they destroy who turns on them, what they don't have ever again, is enough. Because I think it might be.

Sorry about the spamming your inbox, but lj was making me insane.

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Date: 2006-09-14 07:01 pm (UTC)
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I just want to say thank you for such feedback. [livejournal.com profile] ilyena_sylph is sweating away on this, and it is a joy to add ito it here and there. I hope you continue to find entertainment in what is happening in this 'epic' as we progress and try to keep the characters logical.

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Date: 2006-09-14 09:07 am (UTC)
ext_11763: kate snark (dick)
From: [identity profile] pervyficgirl.livejournal.com
I'm late to the game, so I'll just point to everything that [livejournal.com profile] nightwing_subs said and say "ditto." Lovely addition.

Also? Warnings: I made Filly cry.

You made me cry too.

Date: 2006-09-14 05:24 pm (UTC)
ilyena_sylph: picture of Labyrinth!faerie with 'careful, i bite' as text (audrey too)
From: [personal profile] ilyena_sylph
*lower lip quivers in dismay* but... I wanted to know what you thought...

I did? Wow!

Sorry about the emo-tasticness of that, pervy. My bad. Thanks for letting me know that I managed to get to you!

Date: 2006-09-14 07:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] senmut
Good. I saw it coming and still choked up. And had to fight to keep it down while writing Ollie...

Same time next year?

Date: 2006-09-14 11:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nightwing-subs.livejournal.com
This epic has shown us what could be possible, realistically possible if Dick were to join with Slade. It's so realistic it makes me uncomfortable. Meaning that unless Slade becomes a little bit lighter, my OTP will never be (except in my pervy mind).

Right now - and assure you, this will change - the only plausible scenario that can happen of S/D is similar to the one faced by that couple in the movie "Same Time Next Year."

The two star-crossed lovers know their universes can never mesh but they meet each other for a few days every year in a private hotel.

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Date: 2006-09-14 02:20 pm (UTC)
ilyena_sylph: picture of Labyrinth!faerie with 'careful, i bite' as text (audrey too)
From: [personal profile] ilyena_sylph
This epic has shown us

That was kind of the point, yeah, I'm still so delighted that it's working.

..so realistic it makes me uncomfortable.

It ought to. Dick gone over is a frightening, frightening creature.

unless Slade goes lighter

Which we're so not going to get in canon, *vaguely sad/amused by this*

only plausible scenario that can happen of S/D

Never seen this, but wooow, that sounds like it really might work for them... Hey, go for it! That might make a hell of a fic! *cheers*

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Date: 2006-09-14 04:04 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] elfcat255.livejournal.com
Dude!...forget reading the comics...I just want to read your's and filly's work!...this was great yena!..Loved it!

Date: 2006-09-14 05:19 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ilyena_sylph
*grins at you* Thank you, so very, very much!

Date: 2006-09-14 06:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cero-ate.livejournal.com
Oh, intense! This was amazing. Glad it was up this morning, so I had a treat before classses. There's so much about this that was truly wonderful. I liked that Batman made sure to let everyone who had family involved know before the media glommed onto it. Liked that Batman knew he couldn't be the one to do the forensic stuff. Was glad that Batman made sure there'd be a second for the family when he told them the news. Loved that he called Ollie by his first name, instead of Green Arrow. Heart-wrenching when both Ollie and Bruce pulled out the special keep-sakes to be used to locate them.

Date: 2006-09-14 07:10 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] senmut
Hope you caught Ollie's stutter on Bruce's name...only switched to code beause he doesn't really *know* Blood, did not know he could talk in the clear. [livejournal.com profile] ilyena_sylph makes the writing of this pretty easy in some ways, but in other ways, we keep getting gut-punched by the 'next logical move' in the long range plans.

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Date: 2006-09-14 10:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] victoria-wayne.livejournal.com
That's... heavy. My goodness.

Just... everybody. Especially Tim just looking at Bruce and knowing what was going on.

This fallout is going to be huge. So many people are going to be... yeah. Nuts.

Date: 2006-09-14 11:23 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ilyena_sylph
Thank you! Heavy is definitely a good word for it.

*nods* Yeah. Tim... they're Bats. They say more with one of those opaque looks than most people do by babbling.

*nodnodnod* Yeeaah... It ain't pretty.

Date: 2006-09-15 01:01 am (UTC)
ext_11763: kate snark (BFF)
From: [identity profile] pervyficgirl.livejournal.com
Sorry about the emo-tasticness of that, pervy. My bad. Thanks for letting me know that I managed to get to you!

*Scowls at you.* Don't you know that I hate that word? I have decided that you must have used it on purpose as a way to punish me for not doing a more thorough fb. ;)

And *** or not, I do know what it's like to have someone who regularly reads your work not respond as enthusiastically as you'd hoped. And given the sheer amount of pleasure (not joy, though, because you made me cry) I got out of this work, I wouldn't want you to think that I loved it any less than any of the others.

So, Pervy FB, take two:

Batman returned from his canvassing of the other floors of the building with little more information than he'd had previously, barring that Starfire had been incapacitated within her room,

*kicks EVIL!Dick.* This whole story makes me hate Evil!Dick. I mean, I'm very fond of him and I love the storyline, but like [livejournal.com profile] nightwing_subs above, I really want to see him get punished.

Because, Holy Narrowmindedness, Dick. I don't care that you thought you could never regain Bruce's forgiveness/etc. I don't even care that this is all Batman's fault. There were other people that damn well could have forgiven you. The woman you killed, for instance. Tim. He's your own private little groupie. He might be a mini-Bat, but thinking that he wouldn't forgive you was shoddy rationalization at best.

This, is, of course, completely Dick to the core. He's been doing shoddy rationalization for so long that I forgot when he didn't. As usual, your characterization wins all the prizes.

Also, Dick? Know who else would have forgiven you? All Titans, past and present. Probably Babs, though I don't really care about her. Since you killed Kory off, can you do the same with Babs? I think it's only fair.

Let's see. . .Alfred. Also? Clark. Though. . . according to canon, no he wouldn't. He'd just be a judgemental ass.

The point is, Dick, you're retarded, or something. Bruce's forgiveness wasn't the be all, end all, even if you thought it was. If you can live without it while enjoying Slade's bed, you could have lived without it within the comfort of the forgiveness of your friends.

This whole situation frustrates me and makes me want to beat Evil!Dick repeatedly, but I don't want there to be any confusion - I LOVE YOU for making me feel that way. Because if you had done a lesser job with your storytelling, you wouldn't have presented the Heroes as well as you did AT THE SAME TIME as you presented EVIL! Dick and Company as well as you did.

At the same time? I went back and reread some of the earlier chapters, and when you're telling it from Evil!Dick's POV, I still have the lust/adoration/sympathy for him that I had originally, (and those stories still very much make me want the thing with you know who coming in contact with the you know what for Evil!Dick) combined with the hurt/anger that the hero installments have given me. This shows, I think, just how wonderfully woven, and how complex this epic is. It's very meaty - if other fan fic are Anne of Green Gables books - fun, but not the most filling -, this is an unholy mix of Grissom/Stephen King/Kingdom Come (in meatyness, not content. *g*)

Both sides are flawed, and I can completely understand - if not agree - with each and every decision that every person on both sides of this story have made. Moreover, and most importantly of all, even the decisions that make me want to SHAKE them, felt perfectly in character. I applaud that, because all the melodrama/angst/prOn/pain/intriguing plot in the world doesn't make up for crappy characterization. *Claps, loudly.*

This story in particular made me realize how very much I cared about the good guys and the bad guys both - care, as in, I have an emotional investment in seeing what happens to everyone involved.

And you know why? Because of that one line that I quoted above. It just drives home the ruthlessness that Dick possesses now. . .and it squeezes my heart. A lot.

So, yeah, you "managed to get to me." A lot. ;).

Date: 2006-09-15 02:00 am (UTC)
ilyena_sylph: picture of Labyrinth!faerie with 'careful, i bite' as text (audrey too)
From: [personal profile] ilyena_sylph
*Scowls at you.* Don't you know that I hate that word? I have decided that you must have used it on purpose as a way to punish me for not doing a more thorough fb. ;)

And *** or not, I do know what it's like to have someone who regularly reads your work not respond as enthusiastically as you'd hoped. And given the sheer amount of pleasure (not joy, though, because you made me cry) I got out of this work, I wouldn't want you to think that I loved it any less than any of the others.


Sorry, forgot! I was still not horribly awake when I decided I needed to apologize. I am glad it gave you great pleasure (and I have to admit to gladness that I managed to make you cry).

So, Pervy FB, take two:

*squee*

"Batman returned from his canvassing of the other floors of the building with little more information than he'd had previously, barring that Starfire had been incapacitated within her room,"

*kicks EVIL!Dick.* This whole story makes me hate Evil!Dick. I mean, I'm very fond of him and I love the storyline, but like [info]nightwing_subs above, I really want to see him get punished.


I... have that same problem. I adore and am in lust with him, but I'm so angry at him at the same time...

Because, Holy Narrowmindedness, Dick. I don't care that you thought you could never regain Bruce's forgiveness/etc. I don't even care that this is all Batman's fault. There were other people that damn well could have forgiven you. The woman you killed, for instance. Tim. He's your own private little groupie. He might be a mini-Bat, but thinking that he wouldn't forgive you was shoddy rationalization at best.

"Holy narrowmindedness," indeed, *nods* As to the bit about that other people would forgive him... he doesn't believe that. I don't think he ever will. And that he couldn't save Kory is going to become my next fic, b/c people don't seem to have understood how much that hurt him.

This, is, of course, completely Dick to the core. He's been doing shoddy rationalization for so long that I forgot when he didn't. As usual, your characterization wins all the prizes.

Aww, thanks! *joyous*

Also, Dick? Know who else would have forgiven you? All Titans, past and present. Probably Babs, though I don't really care about her. Since you killed Kory off, can you do the same with Babs? I think it's only fair.

I doubt Babs. And he couldn't let the Titans see him like that (with blood on his hands), because he's an idiot and was whacked at the time. *really WONDERS about planned later events, given that fact.*

Let's see...Alfred. Also? Clark. Though... according to canon, no he wouldn't. He'd just be a judgemental ass.

Oh, God, Alfie, is all I have to say. And, bah, Clark.

The point is, Dick, you're retarded, or something. Bruce's forgiveness wasn't the be all, end all, even if you thought it was. If you can live without it while enjoying Slade's bed, you could have lived without it within the comfort of the forgiveness of your friends.

Not retarded. Just... Bruce was his god, and he failed him completely. He's only surviving in Slade's bed because Slade's, well, Slade and had most of a month to remake him.

This whole situation frustrates me and makes me want to beat Evil!Dick repeatedly, but I don't want there to be any confusion - I LOVE YOU for making me feel that way. Because if you had done a lesser job with your storytelling, you wouldn't have presented the Heroes as well as you did AT THE SAME TIME as you presented EVIL! Dick and Company as well as you did.

*happiness* I... thank you so much. I'm glad you like my presentation of the heroes... I love them, after all. I want to present them well, because of how I adore them.

At the same time? I went back and reread some of the earlier chapters, and when you're telling it from Evil!Dick's POV, I still have the lust/adoration/sympathy for him that I had originally, (and those stories still very much make me want the thing with you know who coming in contact with the you know what for Evil!Dick) combined with the hurt/anger that the hero installments have given me.

Wow, we can make you have all of that at once? Freaking awesome! That's just such a headtrip.

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Part II

Date: 2006-09-15 01:03 am (UTC)
ext_11763: kate snark (centaur)
From: [identity profile] pervyficgirl.livejournal.com
"Want company?"
Aw. I really loved the way you portrayed the Gordon/Bats relationship. It's as fantastically trusting as I love to see it be.

//Deserve more than that from me. I backed them, backed Roy to do this... I have to go to them.//

*Nods.* That's my Bruce, as I like him to be - so very self aware of when things are his fault. Of course, this isn't - at least not for the reasons he suspects - but the Batman I know and love carries extra responsiblity on his shoulders, even when it doesn't belong there. Because well, Spidey and Uncle Ben told us why.

"Yes, Batman?" the younger archer still sounded shaken, voice roughened by tears, but he was holding himself together well, unlike the utterly stricken Green Lantern, who was still shaking against his shoulder.

Oh, poor Connor. Poor Kyle. *hugs Kyle tightly.* Also, can Obsidian still be bad and kill someone? Because I think it might be in order. No? Oh, well.

The whole scene between Connor and Batman was very well done. It had the definite vibe of younger hero/venerable hero, but because it's Connor, it wasn't worshipful (the only person he does that with is Ollie) and was perfect.

Likewise, I adored how Batman kept racing against the clock to notify everyone before the news could. Oh, Bruce.

And, oh, YES, to the Jason Blood.


"B-Batman?!" it took a moment before her startled voice answered. "I'm here, what can I do for you?"
"Meet me at the Sentinel's in twenty minutes."
"What, wh--I'll be there." She'd collected herself quite professionally, he noticed.


OH, Bruce, again, you make me love you. Thank you for having him realize that this is *very* professional for a teenage girl. It's not something that canon would have done, but this feels far more true to a man that has taken in and raised two teenagers at this point than what canon would have made him do.


That brought Alan into the hall itself, sharp eyes searching his face and that of the girl beside him, who responded with a puzzled gesture he could half-see.


And this is where I started to cry. Because, god, poor Alan. I can just *see* him knowing that Batman's presence knew something bad had happened - years of experience wouldn't let him believe anything else - but looking to Courtney for reassurance that he was wrong. And not.receiving.any.

Oh, Alan.

And you give great Molly, too, btw.

"Alan--" he could not believe the catch in his voice, or the fact that he had to swallow before he could continue. "Alan, Molly, you need to sit down, please."

I can believe it, Bruce. I can believe it, because I've read A Death in the Family and The Killing Joke . I can believe it because I know that Dick's disappearance amidst all of this has to be ripping you apart.

Disbelievingly, I *hug Bruce.*

Stargirl hovering anxiously next to them, attempting to glare at him.

*g* This is so very her.

"Courtney... Batman wouldn't be here if she was just hurt." Alan's voice was still so strong. "She's... gone, isn't she?"

And this? Is where I started to sob. Uncontrollably. I had to stop and recompose myself before I continued on.

Alan winced, eyes dropping closed, a few tears beginning to streak down his face. He seemed not to notice them, and reopened his eyes. "Poor child. How can I help?"

Yeah, I love me some Alan Scott. You write him so well here - consumed by grief, but duty comes first - , and it keeps ripping out my heart, every time I re-read this.


The Bat shook his head, negating even the possibility of that end--//I lost a child too, Alan. I would not let--// and Alan spoke again. "Go now, before another parent is not so fortunate."


OW. Just OW.

Re: Part II

Date: 2006-09-15 02:25 am (UTC)
ilyena_sylph: picture of Labyrinth!faerie with 'careful, i bite' as text (audrey too)
From: [personal profile] ilyena_sylph
Aw. I really loved the way you portrayed the Gordon/Bats relationship. It's as fantastically trusting as I love to see it be.

They're... something else. They really are. *thinks about Bat-ness, and Jim-ness, and nods*

*Nods.* That's my Bruce, as I like him to be - so very self aware of when things are his fault. Of course, this isn't - at least not for the reasons he suspects - but the Batman I know and love carries extra responsiblity on his shoulders, even when it doesn't belong there. Because well, Spidey and Uncle Ben told us why.

That's my Bruce, too... and YES, Uncle Ben did tell us why.

Oh, poor Connor. Poor Kyle. *hugs Kyle tightly.* Also, can Obsidian still be bad and kill someone? Because I think it might be in order. No? Oh, well.

*hugs them, too* Ask Filly. She's writing the JSA.

The whole scene between Connor and Batman was very well done. It had the definite vibe of younger hero/venerable hero, but because it's Connor, it wasn't worshipful (the only person he does that with is Ollie) and was perfect.

Thank you! You're right, Connor is only worshipful with his own father.

Likewise, I adored how Batman kept racing against the clock to notify everyone before the news could. Oh, Bruce.

Oh, Bruce covers it nicely, yes.

And, oh, YES, to the Jason Blood.

I like Jason. He's effing cool.

OH, Bruce, again, you make me love you. Thank you for having him realize that this is *very* professional for a teenage girl. It's not something that canon would have done, but this feels far more true to a man that has taken in and raised two teenagers at this point than what canon would have made him do.

*kicks canon!Bruce, and loves on her Bat* You're welcome, because he certainly did.

And this is where I started to cry. Because, god, poor Alan. I can just *see* him knowing that Batman's presence knew something bad had happened - years of experience wouldn't let him believe anything else - but looking to Courtney for reassurance that he was wrong. And not.receiving.any.

Here? You started here? oh, wow. I... yes, exactly, you get it.

Oh, Alan. / And you give great Molly, too, btw.

I fluttered and fretted and freaked at Filly so much over this, because I really don't know them all that well... So this means a TON to me.

I can believe it, Bruce. I can believe it, because I've read A Death in the Family and The Killing Joke. I can believe it because I know that Dick's disappearance amidst all of this has to be ripping you apart.

Disbelievingly, I *hug Bruce.*


Yeah. ADitF and KJ and Dick... that's why I wrote that, because it really, truly is. Oh my god. I made you hug Bruce. I win at life.

"Stargirl hovering anxiously next to them, attempting to glare at him." /*g* This is so very her.

It is, really? Effing A!

And this? Is where I started to sob. Uncontrollably. I had to stop and recompose myself before I continued on.

*hugs you* I'm... sorry?

Yeah, I love me some Alan Scott. You write him so well here - consumed by grief, but duty comes first - , and it keeps ripping out my heart, every time I re-read this.

I... I am so, so glad that my portrayal of him worked, b/c like I said, I really don't know him, but... this fit what little I did know.

OW. Just OW.

Um, yeah. I wanted to hug him so much.

Part III

Date: 2006-09-15 01:05 am (UTC)
ext_11763: kate snark (dick)
From: [identity profile] pervyficgirl.livejournal.com
Your handling of Jefferson was as fantastical as your handling of Alan. Your concerns over AIM about him didn't show once.

"Don't." His voice was tough, guttural as he snarled the word. "Don't take away her choice's meaning by doing this! You hang on to your control; hang on to this rage and grief... and help me find who did this!"

Despite the fact that I was sobbing through this, I clapped a little for Batman. Because godfuckingdammit, YES! This is exactly what I wanted to shout in Outsiders when Jefferson was off bitching at NW. Your daughter chose to be a hero, dumbass. Don't you DARE lessen her sacrifices by acting like a whiny little bitch because she got hurt.

Possibly, I have some issues there, though. So moving on. . .

Just losing Joanna.
*snickers evilly about Ollie.*


"Yeah..." The depth of his loss showed in that imprecise word. Jefferson was a very educated man, and preferred to show it at all times.

*Nods.* Have I mentioned how HARD you rock with the characterization? Also, the way that you had BL completely break down was *exactly* right. It showed his grief better than anything else would have.

He knew from Anissa that Roy was a rock solid teammate, a man who lived for one thing outside his own daughter.

*shakes fist in Judd Winick's direction.* Do you hear that, Judd?

And, OH, Roy. I'm so sorry, baby. Sorry that I want you to defect to the EVIL. So sorry that I got inconceivable amounts of joy at your rape. So very, very sorry.


"I... will ask." He heard the soft noise of muffled voices, then Connor's voice returned. "He says yes. We'll be right there."


I love your Connor. That's not very useful feedback, but I just feel it needs repeating. Lots.


The harsh indrawing of breath echoed loud within the Cave, and Alfred's impassive façade cracked to reveal all the fear as he asked, "And Master Richard?"


*whimpers for Alfred.* Oh, Alfred, honey, I'm sorry that I kinda love Evil!Dick, still. Because. . .oh, I might feel worse for you than I do Ollie. Because you've *truly* never done anything to deserve this.

OUCH.

Alfred spoke to them both, but his attention was on the weakened, ravaged Lantern. "Master Rayner. Come above," he encouraged, and when Hawke pushed gently on Kyle's shoulder, he nodded and allowed Alfred to shepherd him out of the cave.

Oh, KYLE. And Alfred. I have a lovely image of Alfred taking care of Kyle that breaks my heart all the more. Because - oh, heavens above.

*hugs them both, so very tightly.*

Jason gave him a sharp, long look, and his face shifted in the way that meant Etrigan was loud within him. He forced it back after a moment, and looked straight into his eyes, despite the lenses in the way. "You get more annoying by the year. Come close, both of you."

*chuckle.* I love the casual friendship you have between the two of them here. It's fabulous.

"Tell me straight, Bats. What in hell brings you here, in full daylight? Thought your type was nocturnal." Ollie's wise crack covered a deep fear; he knew this man too well to think it was not deeply serious.

Oh, Ollie. Again, I have nothing useful to say other than YES, this is so very BOTH of THEM.

I loved the whole sequence between them. Every word spoke of the friendship and trust that years had built between them and ten minutes stolen away in a STUPID act on the watchtower had broken. Every word showed them struggling to put all of that aside because of the situation.

When Ollie came close, put his body between Connor's eyes and his own hands, one hand flashed in an old, quick signal. //Privacy,// it demanded, and he tipped his head slightly towards the youngest. //Pay attention, Queen,// he thought loudly.

That, specifically. JUST, yes, please, continue to rip my heart out. ;)

And I can offer no coherent feedback on the reveal about Dinah - except that I drew sadistic joy out of how badly it broke everyone - especially OLLIE (yeah, maybe you should have kept your dick in your pants a couple of times over the years, eh?) - when they were told.

Re: Part III

Date: 2006-09-15 02:50 am (UTC)
ilyena_sylph: picture of Labyrinth!faerie with 'careful, i bite' as text (audrey too)
From: [personal profile] ilyena_sylph
Your handling of Jefferson was as fantastical as your handling of Alan. Your concerns over AIM about him didn't show once.

*snort* That's because Filly wrote him, tell her. *G*

Despite the fact that I was sobbing through this, I clapped a little for Batman. Because godfuckingdammit, YES! This is exactly what I wanted to shout in Outsiders when Jefferson was off bitching at NW. Your daughter chose to be a hero, dumbass. Don't you DARE lessen her sacrifices by acting like a whiny little bitch because she got hurt.

*G* Filly put that together too, but I jumped up and down and screamed yes a lot about this, because it's so perfect and true.

Possibly, I have some issues there, though. So moving on...

hey, they're accurate issues.

Just losing Joanna.
*snickers evilly about Ollie.*

Stop that, *laugh*

*Nods.* Have I mentioned how HARD you rock with the characterization? Also, the way that you had BL completely break down was *exactly* right. It showed his grief better than anything else would have.

I worship at Filly's feet for the perfection of this.

"He knew from Anissa that Roy was a rock solid teammate, a man who lived for one thing outside his own daughter."

*shakes fist in Judd Winick's direction.* Do you hear that, Judd?And, OH, Roy. I'm so sorry, baby. Sorry that I want you to defect to the EVIL. So sorry that I got inconceivable amounts of joy at your rape. So very, very sorry.


I've said that a LOT recently, yeah.

I love your Connor. That's not very useful feedback, but I just feel it needs repeating. Lots.

I like my Connor. He's just this lovely cool breeze.

*whimpers for Alfred.* Oh, Alfred, honey, I'm sorry that I kinda love Evil!Dick, still. Because. . .oh, I might feel worse for you than I do Ollie. Because you've *truly* never done anything to deserve this.
OUCH.


I repeat. Oh, god, Alfie.

Oh, KYLE. And Alfred. I have a lovely image of Alfred taking care of Kyle that breaks my heart all the more. Because - oh, heavens above.
*hugs them both, so very tightly.*


Yeah... they both need it, so badly.

*chuckle.* I love the casual friendship you have between the two of them here. It's fabulous.

Toonverse. I blame toonverse, and am glad there's comic-canon for it.

Oh, Ollie. Again, I have nothing useful to say other than YES, this is so very BOTH of THEM.

Ollie is all Filly's, here, and he's so damned wonderful.

I loved the whole sequence between them. Every word spoke of the friendship and trust that years had built between them and ten minutes stolen away in a STUPID act on the watchtower had broken. Every word showed them struggling to put all of that aside because of the situation.

For Filly AND I, *hugs you tight and squees like a mad thing* Oh, thank you, you GET it!!! Yes, yes exactly!

"When Ollie came close...he thought loudly."

That, specifically. JUST, yes, please, continue to rip my heart out. ;)


Yeah. That was exactly/i> what I wanted to do with that bit. *hugs you and squees again*

And I can offer no coherent feedback on the reveal about Dinah - except that I drew sadistic joy out of how badly it broke everyone - especially OLLIE (yeah, maybe you should have kept your dick in your pants a couple of times over the years, eh?) - when they were told.

There was a great deal of sadistic joy in that, yes.

Date: 2006-09-15 01:07 am (UTC)
ext_11763: kate snark (impure)
From: [identity profile] pervyficgirl.livejournal.com
He was reaching, trying to let Batman put the past aside, for sake of the future.

"...past time. If we don't, who will?" There was no point in his anger, no value in holding on to his rage over long-past events... not with his son on the line. Both of their sons, and the woman they both--cared deeply for.


Oh, look, they're putting things past them. Like heroes should do, perhaps?

A fist rat-a-tat-ed against the main door, harsh, brash knock that nearly screamed Hal Jordan's name.

This made me start crying all over again. The whole exchange with Hal and Ollie was so very perfect. Hal wrapped his arm hard around Ollie's shoulders, hand fisting into the shirt to let him know he wasn't alone. So, regardless of whether they're brothers or lovers in this 'verse, gods, I'm glad that Ollie has Hal. And your Hal feels very true to character as well.

And I have to love a Hal that glares at Bats. *g*

The Titans. Oh, Lord.

A lazy Tuesday morning in the Titan's Tower was suddenly shattered as Raven leapt to her feet at the breakfast table, eyes wide, hands flattened against the tabletop, breathing quick and erratic, power surging around her hands.

"Ray?!" Vic was the first to react, getting to his feet worriedly, Beast Boy half a second behind him.

"Demon, there's a demon here," she replied, words coming in quick succession. "Outside."


*Claps.* Thank you for that.

Raven was one of my favorite Titans, back in the day, even though she's a walking plot device. So, I'm very glad to see her cameo here.

I love how in control your Vic is here, too, in the beginning. And even later, as he's falling apart, he remains very . . .stoically in pain. Because a BL-esque breakdown wouldn't have worked for him.

With Dick missing, you're her posted next of kin."

AWWWWW. See, I was only a Dick/Kory fan for about ten minutes back in the day, but I LOVED having Dick as her next of kin. It's. . . AW.

Also? Oh, Dick, how could you?

Never mind, I know the answer to that.

*Sighs, and feels conflicted some more about my love/hate for Evil!Dick.*

His voice was helpless, shaken, and he looked so young... //They're all so young.//

*Sniffle.* Yes, Batman, they are. *hugs Vic and tries to shake the Toon Vic out of head, because he makes it hurt even more than Comic!Vic.*

"Right. I'll do that," and Cyborg's head dropped into his hands, elbows braced on his knees. "I never wanted to do this again," his voice soft, almost broken. "I... I'll get on it."

And I just had to stop here and sob for a few minutes. I don't even like Donna, but all I could think was how bad they all hurt at the end of Graduation Day. I just - OW. It ripped out my heart AGAIN.

Beast Boy changed shape, and a large cat pushed its way under Vic's arms to sit on him, purring with stress and fear, and Batman nodded once.

Well, of course. Because they're married.

And Robin. Oh, Robin. Everything in that passage hurt, but do you know what hurt the most? This:

Date: 2006-09-15 03:11 am (UTC)
ilyena_sylph: picture of Labyrinth!faerie with 'careful, i bite' as text (audrey too)
From: [personal profile] ilyena_sylph
Oh, look, they're putting things past them. Like heroes should do, perhaps?

Yes, exactly like they ought to.

This made me start crying all over again. The whole exchange with Hal and Ollie was so very perfect. "Hal wrapped his arm hard around Ollie's shoulders, hand fisting into the shirt to let him know he wasn't alone." So, regardless of whether they're brothers or lovers in this 'verse, gods, I'm glad that Ollie has Hal. And your Hal feels very true to character as well.

Neither of them has told me which they are, but I'm glad Hal's there, too. I based my Hal from you and Filly, so I'm joyous that he works for you.

And I have to love a Hal that glares at Bats. *g*

Hal's thoughts: //you are gonna tell me how to handle Ollie?! F*** off!//

The Titans. Oh, Lord.

Yeah, tell me about it.

*Claps.* Thank you for that.

It seemed perfect.

Raven was one of my favorite Titans, back in the day, even though she's a walking plot device. So, I'm very glad to see her cameo here.

I love, lust, and Adore Raven. Screw cameo, she gets PLACE in this fic. Because I can. But thank you!

I love how in control your Vic is here, too, in the beginning. And even later, as he's falling apart, he remains very...stoically in pain. Because a BL-esque breakdown wouldn't have worked for him.

Thank you! *happy* Vic's... Vic. He's a leader, he has to keepittogethernomatterwhat. That's just how he is.

"With Dick missing, you're her posted next of kin."
AWWWWW. See, I was only a Dick/Kory fan for about ten minutes back in the day, but I LOVED having Dick as her next of kin. It's... AW.


Tell me about it. God, that hurt to realize, and hurt more to write down.

Also? Oh, Dick, how could you?

A contract is a contract is a contract.

Never mind, I know the answer to that.

See above.

*Sighs, and feels conflicted some more about my love/hate for Evil!Dick.*

Yeah. Me too.

"His voice was helpless, shaken, and he looked so young... //They're all so young.//"
*Sniffle.* Yes, Batman, they are. *hugs Vic and tries to shake the Toon Vic out of head, because he makes it hurt even more than Comic!Vic.*


Oh, god, I didn't need that image... *weeps*

"Right. I'll do that," and Cyborg's head dropped into his hands, elbows braced on his knees. "I never wanted to do this again," his voice soft, almost broken. "I... I'll get on it."

And I just had to stop here and sob for a few minutes. I don't even like Donna, but all I could think was how bad they all hurt at the end of Graduation Day. I just - OW. It ripped out my heart AGAIN.


Does it help any to know that I had to get up, go get a drink of water and try to remember how to breathe, because doing this ripped me apart? I don't like her either, but... exactly what you said.

"Beast Boy changed shape, and a large cat pushed its way under Vic's arms to sit on him, purring with stress and fear, and Batman nodded once."
Well, of course. Because they're married.


Yup. They are.

And Robin. Oh, Robin.

Yeah... oh, god Timmy BABY!!! is about my reaction to everything I wrote for him.

What is This? Part V?

Date: 2006-09-15 01:09 am (UTC)
ext_11763: kate snark (love)
From: [identity profile] pervyficgirl.livejournal.com
I hate LJ's comment boxes, by the way,

Anyway, like I was saying, This hurt me the most out of the whole exchange:

"That takes talent, to hack security Dick and Roy put together..." His lips hardened. "Or an insider... but Dick wouldn't let Kory die. Not of his own volition. And Roy wouldn't turn on his team.

Know why it hurts? Because once upon a time, Robin would have been able to say that NEITHER Roy nor Dick would turn on his team. *Contemplates poor little broken Robin at the end of Graduation Day.* Oh, Timmy. *hugs him tightly.* Also, I love that his cold little stalker freak mind instantly wend to work without any prompting.

I do love that, unlike his mentor, Tim knows good and damn well that Roy wouldn't turn on his team. *g* And, yes, yes, I know it's a logical assumption on Bruce's behalf.

But you know what they say about people who assume. . .

"That's kind of like calling water wet, Batman," Robin said acidly, then paused.
Oh, Timmy. The reasons for acid have not even begun to reach your poor little ears. *hugs.*

"No. You're going to be needed here. I sent A to locate Batgirl, she should be backup enough. Cyborg's going to be distracted, check your security again. I don't need to tell you what routines. A has reinforced the security on the grounds, should you find a need to return. If Nightwing contacts you..." Slim, slim hope.

"Treat it as compromised, flag or trace the routes, search it for encoding and copy it to you. Yes."

Of course Robin knew. "As more information becomes available, I'll copy you on it, and leave it to your discretion what to share with the Titans."


I adored this whole scene. It showed the trust that Batman is supposed to have for Robin. And "to your discretion what to share with the Titans"? Oh, good boy, Bruce. Because once upon a time, you were trying to teach the boy to distrust them. I'm glad you came around.

"Here," he said harshly, giving up Dick's gauntlets, remembering every time they'd locked around his wrists in perfect trust...

OH, BRUCE. If you hadn't destroyed that trust more than once, you wouldn't be in the predictament that you're in now.

And the last paragraph at end made me cry some more.

In sum, the continuing feeling of dread, and the pain that came from watching Batman reveal all to the loved ones was spot on as painful as it should have been. The characterization was delicious. And in the end, I was as emotionally drained as I would have been had I actually been there. Which means that you pulled me in and made me *feel* what the characters were going through. As a reader, I can't ask for anything more.

That more adequately expresses my love of this fic, I hope? *g*

Re: What is This? Part V?

Date: 2006-09-15 03:30 am (UTC)
ilyena_sylph: picture of Labyrinth!faerie with 'careful, i bite' as text (audrey too)
From: [personal profile] ilyena_sylph
I hate LJ's comment boxes, by the way,
Yeah. they need bigger limits.

Anyway, like I was saying, This hurt me the most out of the whole exchange:
"That takes talent, to hack security Dick and Roy put together..." His lips hardened. "Or an insider... but Dick wouldn't let Kory die. Not of his own volition. And Roy wouldn't turn on his team."
Know why it hurts? Because once upon a time, Robin would have been able to say that NEITHER Roy nor Dick would turn on his team. *Contemplates poor little broken Robin at the end of Graduation Day.* Oh, Timmy. *hugs him tightly.* Also, I love that his cold little stalker freak mind instantly wend to work without any prompting.


Yes. That's why it hurts, that more than anything, yes Exactly. That little broken Robin is Back, and I don't know if he's ever going to be okay again.

Yeah. The stalkerfreak never stops thinking, and that is why I adore him so much.

I do love that, unlike his mentor, Tim knows good and damn well that Roy wouldn't turn on his team. *g* And, yes, yes, I know it's a logical assumption on Bruce's behalf.

Tim knows Roy, yeah. Oh, good, you do know, I don't have to say anything.

But you know what they say about people who assume...

Yes, I do.

Oh, Timmy. The reasons for acid have not even begun to reach your poor little ears. *hugs.*

You're right, they haven't.

"No... leave it to your discretion what to share with the Titans."

I adored this whole scene. It showed the trust that Batman is supposed to have for Robin. And "to your discretion what to share with the Titans"? Oh, good boy, Bruce. Because once upon a time, you were trying to teach the boy to distrust them. I'm glad you came around.


Writing this was good, in an agonizingly painful way, because I got to DO that. Oh, he'd still prefer differently, but Tim will make an excellent filter for what information gets to them and what doesn't, and they won't complain about Robin doing so.

"Here," he said harshly, giving up Dick's gauntlets, remembering every time they'd locked around his wrists in perfect trust..."
OH, BRUCE. If you hadn't destroyed that trust more than once, you wouldn't be in the predictament that you're in now.


I wish he understood that... I wish he'd understood it years ago, actually.

And the last paragraph at end made me cry some more.

I bawled like a baby, hearing the silence of the Cave, just Bruce alone with the bats... it HURTS.

In sum, the continuing feeling of dread, and the pain that came from watching Batman reveal all to the loved ones was spot on as painful as it should have been. The characterization was delicious. And in the end, I was as emotionally drained as I would have been had I actually been there. Which means that you pulled me in and made me *feel* what the characters were going through. As a reader, I can't ask for anything more.

I... *flushed bright red* I... thank you, so much... that's why I started reading, why I still read, and that I can give that kind of.. gift? intensity? to another reader... that's just... that's so powerfully wonderful that I can't stop bouncing. thank you.

That more adequately expresses my love of this fic, I hope? *g*

Yes, it did, you fabulously amazing, brilliant wonderful woman. You just... you make Filly and I's weeks when you do something like this, when you reach right down through all of the words and grab on to everything that hit US so hard, you're so GOOD at it, god... thank you, thank you, thank you a million times... *incandescent joy*

Date: 2006-09-15 01:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coldfiredragon.livejournal.com
Wow, I can't even begin to compare with the length of these amazing comments. You got so many good long ones. Okay short version now, longer version when I get home from work. I promise.

I feel so bad for Bruce, having to go to all of these people individually and tell them what has happened when he is hurting just as much as they are. Informing the living of the dead's demise is the most heavy hearted task in the world and he handled it beautifully.

I dare say telling Ollie was the worst. At least I felt the worst for Ollie, and loved how the two of them were able to emphasize with each other because they both were missing children. I love Batman's short compliment on Hal. I'm so glad he is back for this because he is truly the only one who can hold Ollie together with Roy, Lian and Dinah missing.

Just, so wow. I will leave more in the morning I promise.

Date: 2006-09-15 04:32 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ilyena_sylph
*grins at you* Just tell me what you think, hon. However long or short it takes.

*nods* I do, too. I mean... I really, really do, and yet I'm so damned proud of him for stepping up. You're right, it is the most heavy-hearted task in the world, and I'm so pleased that you think he handled it well.

No. Telling Alan was the worst. Bruce grew up hearing the stories of the JSA. Telling that man that his daughter was dead was one of the hardest things Bruce ever did (the hardest was bury Jason).

Telling Ollie was different. It was more, and it was more painful, and harder to deal with... but with them simply missing there's hope. He had no hope to offer Alan.

Bruce was soooo startled to think that of Hal. I mean, i toned his rxn SOOO far down for this.

Yeah... we twinked with the timeline a little, we think, but Hal simply HAD to be there for this, or Ollie would have gone com-freaking-pletely insane.

*is eager to see*

Date: 2008-04-18 10:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stalinglim.livejournal.com

Oh. My. Goodness.

Bruce, oh, Bruce. (hugs him)

Date: 2008-04-20 02:52 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] senmut
Very painful to write the heroes in this world. Thanks again.

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